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    Notice how the little girl is taller than the boy. The father is also FAR too tan to be Mr. DiLaurentis (it looks like Mr. Hastings, actually). The woman appears to have some sort of bandage around her right wrist (the side where her sleeve is rolled up). The painting on the right (with the blue, red and green) is actually handprints, small enough to be childrens'. Five blue prints, five red prints, three green prints. Important? Probably. Notice how all the prints were made by right hands, except for the leftmost green one, in which the thumb is on the "wrong" side. That makes 64 fingers visible. If anyone can tell me what the other picture is, please do! It looks a bit like a school project... Also, if you look closely, there's a black, wide-rimmed hat in the upper right corner. And the thing that looks a bit like an arm with one finger pointed to the red handprints on the painting seems quite significant… what is it? Any ideas? What about the bronze bar between it and the man?

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    Look closely at the photos. It looks like the boy in the blue sweater took the other boy's apple, but that's just speculation. I think the apples are a clue. They might even be a biblical reference… Also pay attention to the inside of the glass desk. There are items in there, I just can't tell what they are...

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    Those look a lot like like barometers. The fireplace behind looks familiar, too. I'll bet it's a match to the fireplace in one of the girls' houses - will look into this soon.

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    Looks like some sort of control board. Thoughts?

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    Does anyone recognize the chair in the bottom left corner? I swear we've seen it in somebody's house or apartment.

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    Is that a wooden crib in the bottom left corner? And, if you look carefully, you see what looks like the wing of a model airplane hanging from the ceiling. Planes and flight are definitely recurring themes in this room.

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    A crystal chandelier and two shelves of books (which look fake, like the ones in Aria's fake-room, although this is not confirmed)

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    Popcorn machine with a stack of cups (clearly used often). Also note the vintage wall-lamps, similar to one found in the DiLaurentis' living room.

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    There's writing on the record. Does anyone have a clearer picture? Could be nothing, but now I'm curious what it says.

    Somewhere in these pictures is the key to Charles' identity. Any and all observations are welcome.

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    • is there a possible connection between the planes and Duncan albert who took Ali flying 

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    • The actor who played Ducan not coming back he is on Young and the Restless now.

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      I noticed that mrs. D's cardigan was red and it reminded me of that drawing, a lot of people thought it was related to red coat, but maybe its because of mrs. D, maybe it was a detail that stuck in A's memory about that day.

      About the plane, I could only link it to a poster Ezra had in his apartment, so idk.

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    • And btw the song playing is "walkin' after midnight" by Patsy Cline, the vinyl might just have that written on it

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiKsAuv7O7c

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    • KoreRiba wrote:
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      I noticed that mrs. D's cardigan was red and it reminded me of that drawing, a lot of people thought it was related to red coat, but maybe its because of mrs. D, maybe it was a detail that stuck in A's memory about that day.

      About the plane, I could only link it to a poster Ezra had in his apartment, so idk.

      Interesting! The cardigan could be a link to Wren, but it's also possible that when Wren was coloring in the sketch, he was copying a version that he'd had seen before, which had been colored in by someone else (Bethany or Charles?).

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    • Redrice wrote:
      The actor who played Ducan not coming back he is on Young and the Restless now.

      There is a lot of evidence pointing to Duncan, which is why I'm relieved by this ^. Charles has to be someone more relevant. 

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    • Criminology wrote:

      Interesting! The cardigan could be a link to Wren, but it's also possible that when Wren was coloring in the sketch, he was copying a version that he'd had seen before, which had been colored in by someone else (Bethany or Charles?).

      Maybe. But I was looking at a production picture, and I think her cardigan was actualy coral, but in the video at Charles place it does look red, if its a relevant thing, maybe he has a distorted memory since he is relaying on the video for it.

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    • By 'he' I meant Charles. Although I have read some good Wren theorys.

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    • Geafbjkw
      Right now, Wren is not at the top of my suspect list, but he is suspicious. I'm guessing he knows more than he's told the girls.





      On a semi-related note, is there ANY possibility these two could be related?? This casting can't be a coincidence. 

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    • ^ They look incredibly similar! There are no coincidences in this show!

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    • Screenshot687
      Thank you for this thread! I was looking for a discussion on this ever since Marlene mentioned that there are a lot of clues in this room. I noticed all the things you posted above, but I would love to figure out the framed handprints. Never noticed they were all right hands, except one. I wonder if the amount of hands in numbers means anything... 5, 5, 3. Number of people/family members? Does each row represent one person? Or does the total amount mean anything? Or the meaning in there is something else totally different... I did notice another thing on the wall. A set of pictures and a puzzle with one missing piece. It looks like two baby pictures, possibly of two different people, and maybe a picture of the girls?

      Here is a screencap I took:

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      https://imageshack.com/i/idHs8gYlp

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    • I don't think it´s a coincidence that Wren owns a similar "Love Thy Neighboor" poster as Charles. It's not excactly the same poster so they clearly aren't reusing props.

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    • I wonder ... if we're going with the idea that the kids in the video weren't (all) Jessica's/the baby wasn't Ali ... The hand prints look like the kind of art project kids would make for their parents. Two rows of five hands representing five year old twins, one tow of three hands representing a three year old sister? The boys in the video DID look young, maybe they were meant to be two or three? And then maybe this indicates that something happened when Charles was five, hense why it's in the lair. 

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    • Tlmc23 wrote:
      Screenshot687
      Thank you for this thread! I was looking for a discussion on this ever since Marlene mentioned that there are a lot of clues in this room. I noticed all the things you posted above, but I would love to figure out the framed handprints. Never noticed they were all right hands, except one. I wonder if the amount of hands in numbers means anything... 5, 5, 3. Number of people/family members? Does each row represent one person? Or does the total amount mean anything? Or the meaning in there is something else totally different... I did notice another thing on the wall. A set of pictures and a puzzle with one missing piece. It looks like two baby pictures, possibly of two different people, and maybe a picture of the girls?Here is a screencap I took:

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      https://imageshack.com/i/idHs8gYlp

      Good eye! I was trying to figure out what that white splotch (the puzzle piece) was. 


      I think there's definitely some numerical clue in the painting. It could be:

      553 (with each number and color referring to something different, like a family or a sibling)

      355

      64 (number of visible fingers)

      13 (5+5+3)

      75 (5x5x3)

      11 (the left handprint is the 11th)

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    • I don't think the baby is Ali either. If Jason is seven years older than Ali (and we're assuming that Jason is one of those boys) then it can't be her. Those boys are about 3, so that would make them 3 years older than the baby girl Mrs. D is holding. The age differences don't match. I don't think Jason and Charles are twins either. I think Marion Cavanaugh plays a very important role in all of this. Maybe Mrs. D and Marion are twins. They look a lot alike. I'm thinking that maybe Charles is Marion's son, explaining why we saw "C. Cavanaugh" in that sign-in sheet. This would mean that Mrs. D is Charles' aunt. I'm also thinking that Bethany is Marion's daughter as well. We do know that Bethany called Mrs. D Aunt Jessie. So I think that the girl Mrs. D is holding is Bethany. Maybe.

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    • ELN99 wrote:
      I don't think the baby is Ali either. If Jason is seven years older than Ali (and we're assuming that Jason is one of those boys) then it can't be her. Those boys are about 3, so that would make them 3 years older than the baby girl Mrs. D is holding. The age differences don't match. I don't think Jason and Charles are twins either. I think Marion Cavanaugh plays a very important role in all of this. Maybe Mrs. D and Marion are twins. They look a lot alike. I'm thinking that maybe Charles is Marion's son, explaining why we saw "C. Cavanaugh" in that sign-in sheet. This would mean that Mrs. D is Charles' aunt. I'm also thinking that Bethany is Marion's daughter as well. We do know that Bethany called Mrs. D Aunt Jessie. So I think that the girl Mrs. D is holding is Bethany. Maybe.
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      The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to agree with you and KatyBookworm... Mrs. D never said that the baby was her daughter. Even the way she interacted with the boys seemed slightly distant... perhaps she is their aunt, not their mother. If Marion is Mrs. D's sister, that would make sense. And if Bethany is Marion's daughter, no wonder Mrs. D wanted Bethany to call her "Aunt Jessie" - although this would raise questions about Marion's time in Radley. She would have been there at the same time as Bethany, but back then they didn't seem to have any sort of familial relationship... What if there was some sort of incident when Bethany was a baby that ended in Mrs. D becoming her guardian, instead of Marion? If, for whatever reason, there was a fight over Bethany, a lot of things (like Marion's murder and Bethany's hatred of Mrs. D after finding out something) would be explained.

      The question then is: Who is Bethany's father? And how does Ali fit into this?

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    • We know also that Mrs. D had an affair with Bethany's father. I honestly have no clue who he could be. Also, if what I said is true, then it means Toby is related to Charles and Bethany. I don't think that is a far-fetched idea either. Reason being, A/Charles gave Toby information about what happened to his mom, Marion. Isn't that the first time A actually kind of helped somebody? Who better to help than your younger brother.

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    • Criminology wrote:

      KoreRiba wrote:
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      I noticed that mrs. D's cardigan was red and it reminded me of that drawing, a lot of people thought it was related to red coat, but maybe its because of mrs. D, maybe it was a detail that stuck in A's memory about that day.

      About the plane, I could only link it to a poster Ezra had in his apartment, so idk.

      Interesting! The cardigan could be a link to Wren, but it's also possible that when Wren was coloring in the sketch, he was copying a version that he'd had seen before, which had been colored in by someone else (Bethany or Charles?).

      Now the farm reference in Wren's drawing from Season 4 makes sense. The woman may not be RED COAT but JESSICA DILAURENTIS and her family at the Campbell Farm.

      P.S. it means Wren might make an appearance on the show or be mentioned about the connection.

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    • Does anyone have screenshots of Bethany's drawings? I think we're onto something here! (I added more to my last post)

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    • Criminology wrote:
      ELN99 wrote:
      I don't think the baby is Ali either. If Jason is seven years older than Ali (and we're assuming that Jason is one of those boys) then it can't be her. Those boys are about 3, so that would make them 3 years older than the baby girl Mrs. D is holding. The age differences don't match. I don't think Jason and Charles are twins either. I think Marion Cavanaugh plays a very important role in all of this. Maybe Mrs. D and Marion are twins. They look a lot alike. I'm thinking that maybe Charles is Marion's son, explaining why we saw "C. Cavanaugh" in that sign-in sheet. This would mean that Mrs. D is Charles' aunt. I'm also thinking that Bethany is Marion's daughter as well. We do know that Bethany called Mrs. D Aunt Jessie. So I think that the girl Mrs. D is holding is Bethany. Maybe.
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      The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to agree with you and KatyBookworm... Mrs. D never said that the baby was her daughter. Even the way she interacted with the boys seemed slightly distant... perhaps she is their aunt, not their mother. If Marion is Mrs. D's sister, that would make sense. And if Bethany is Marion's daughter, no wonder Mrs. D wanted Bethany to call her "Aunt Jessie" - although this would raise questions about Marion's time in Radley. She would have been there at the same time as Bethany, but back then they didn't seem to have any sort of familial relationship... What if there was some sort of incident when Bethany was a baby that ended in Mrs. D becoming her guardian, instead of Marion? If, for whatever reason, there was a fight over Bethany, a lot of things (like Marion's murder and Bethany's hatred of Mrs. D after finding out something) would be explained.

      The question then is: Who is Bethany's father? And how does Ali fit into this?

      Mrs. D being her new parental guardian does make sense! That would possibly create enough of a reason to hate Mrs. D.  Something else I'm wondering is why is Bethany's last name "Young"?

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    • ELN99 wrote:
      I don't think the baby is Ali either. If Jason is seven years older than Ali (and we're assuming that Jason is one of those boys) then it can't be her. Those boys are about 3, so that would make them 3 years older than the baby girl Mrs. D is holding. The age differences don't match. I don't think Jason and Charles are twins either. I think Marion Cavanaugh plays a very important role in all of this. Maybe Mrs. D and Marion are twins. They look a lot alike. I'm thinking that maybe Charles is Marion's son, explaining why we saw "C. Cavanaugh" in that sign-in sheet. This would mean that Mrs. D is Charles' aunt. I'm also thinking that Bethany is Marion's daughter as well. We do know that Bethany called Mrs. D Aunt Jessie. So I think that the girl Mrs. D is holding is Bethany. Maybe.

      This is a really solid theory. What do you guys think about the anagram in season 5? If Charles is a Cavanaugh, then the solution to the anagram likely isn't "Charles DiLaurentis" like most people think. Marlene said that she's seen 5 theories of the solution for the anagram, one of them being correct. Have you guys seen any of the other solutions that could back up this theory?? 

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      Here they are.

      Found them. 
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    • ELN99 

      "Young" could be the father's name, but it also sounds like the kind of name that someone might've made up...

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    • Charlescavanaugh wrote:
      ELN99 wrote:
      I don't think the baby is Ali either. If Jason is seven years older than Ali (and we're assuming that Jason is one of those boys) then it can't be her. Those boys are about 3, so that would make them 3 years older than the baby girl Mrs. D is holding. The age differences don't match. I don't think Jason and Charles are twins either. I think Marion Cavanaugh plays a very important role in all of this. Maybe Mrs. D and Marion are twins. They look a lot alike. I'm thinking that maybe Charles is Marion's son, explaining why we saw "C. Cavanaugh" in that sign-in sheet. This would mean that Mrs. D is Charles' aunt. I'm also thinking that Bethany is Marion's daughter as well. We do know that Bethany called Mrs. D Aunt Jessie. So I think that the girl Mrs. D is holding is Bethany. Maybe.
      This is a really solid theory. What do you guys think about the anagram in season 5? If Charles is a Cavanaugh, then the solution to the anagram likely isn't "Charles DiLaurentis" like most people think. Marlene said that she's seen 5 theories of the solution for the anagram, one of them being correct. Have you guys seen any of the other solutions that could back up this theory?? 

      What if Charles wanted to be a DiLaurentis, but was raised by the Cavanaughs instead (Which, I guess, would make Toby Charles, unless there's another sibling there)? Maybe Bethany, his sister, was cared for by Mrs. D, but he was left with Marion, or his father?? If so, Bethany could have known something about this, though not everything - that could be why she drew a picture of a demon carrying a little boy away. 

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    • Criminology wrote:
      Charlescavanaugh wrote:
      ELN99 wrote:
      I don't think the baby is Ali either. If Jason is seven years older than Ali (and we're assuming that Jason is one of those boys) then it can't be her. Those boys are about 3, so that would make them 3 years older than the baby girl Mrs. D is holding. The age differences don't match. I don't think Jason and Charles are twins either. I think Marion Cavanaugh plays a very important role in all of this. Maybe Mrs. D and Marion are twins. They look a lot alike. I'm thinking that maybe Charles is Marion's son, explaining why we saw "C. Cavanaugh" in that sign-in sheet. This would mean that Mrs. D is Charles' aunt. I'm also thinking that Bethany is Marion's daughter as well. We do know that Bethany called Mrs. D Aunt Jessie. So I think that the girl Mrs. D is holding is Bethany. Maybe.
      This is a really solid theory. What do you guys think about the anagram in season 5? If Charles is a Cavanaugh, then the solution to the anagram likely isn't "Charles DiLaurentis" like most people think. Marlene said that she's seen 5 theories of the solution for the anagram, one of them being correct. Have you guys seen any of the other solutions that could back up this theory?? 
      What if Charles WANTED to be a DiLaurentis, but was raised by the Cavanaughs instead (Which, I guess, would make Toby Charles, unless there's another sibling there)? Maybe Bethany, his sister, was cared for by Mrs. D, but he was left with Marion, or his father?? If so, Bethany could have known something about this, though not everything - that could be why she drew a picture of a demon carrying a little boy away. 

      That's a very good point, I've been wondering about that drawing in particular. Here's my next thought, and correct me on any of this if I'm wrong... My theories are starting to get tangled.

      If Mrs. D had an affair with Bethany's dad, and Bethany's mom ends up being Mrs. D's twin sister (who happens to be Mrs. Cavanaugh), wouldn't that be a very good reason for Bethany to get angry at Mrs. D for wanting to be called Aunt Jessie?

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    • Bethany would have been a couple years older than Ali when she died (if she really died), right? What if Mrs. D was looking after her until Ali came along, then something happened, and she stopped? Bethany ended up in Radley, and Mrs. D's interactions with her became more distant (ie. giving her clothes).

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    • Charlescavanaugh Sounds like a pretty good reason to me! 

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    • Criminology wrote:
      Charlescavanaugh wrote:
      ELN99 wrote:
      I don't think the baby is Ali either. If Jason is seven years older than Ali (and we're assuming that Jason is one of those boys) then it can't be her. Those boys are about 3, so that would make them 3 years older than the baby girl Mrs. D is holding. The age differences don't match. I don't think Jason and Charles are twins either. I think Marion Cavanaugh plays a very important role in all of this. Maybe Mrs. D and Marion are twins. They look a lot alike. I'm thinking that maybe Charles is Marion's son, explaining why we saw "C. Cavanaugh" in that sign-in sheet. This would mean that Mrs. D is Charles' aunt. I'm also thinking that Bethany is Marion's daughter as well. We do know that Bethany called Mrs. D Aunt Jessie. So I think that the girl Mrs. D is holding is Bethany. Maybe.
      This is a really solid theory. What do you guys think about the anagram in season 5? If Charles is a Cavanaugh, then the solution to the anagram likely isn't "Charles DiLaurentis" like most people think. Marlene said that she's seen 5 theories of the solution for the anagram, one of them being correct. Have you guys seen any of the other solutions that could back up this theory?? 
      What if Charles wanted to be a DiLaurentis, but was raised by the Cavanaughs instead (Which, I guess, would make Toby Charles, unless there's another sibling there)? Maybe Bethany, his sister, was cared for by Mrs. D, but he was left with Marion, or his father?? If so, Bethany could have known something about this, though not everything - that could be why she drew a picture of a demon carrying a little boy away. 

      I think that that could be a possibility as well. Another thing...what is so heartbreaking about Charles' past that will make us feel bad for him? Was he mistreated?

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    • ELN99 wrote:
      Criminology wrote:
      Charlescavanaugh wrote:
      ELN99 wrote:
      I don't think the baby is Ali either. If Jason is seven years older than Ali (and we're assuming that Jason is one of those boys) then it can't be her. Those boys are about 3, so that would make them 3 years older than the baby girl Mrs. D is holding. The age differences don't match. I don't think Jason and Charles are twins either. I think Marion Cavanaugh plays a very important role in all of this. Maybe Mrs. D and Marion are twins. They look a lot alike. I'm thinking that maybe Charles is Marion's son, explaining why we saw "C. Cavanaugh" in that sign-in sheet. This would mean that Mrs. D is Charles' aunt. I'm also thinking that Bethany is Marion's daughter as well. We do know that Bethany called Mrs. D Aunt Jessie. So I think that the girl Mrs. D is holding is Bethany. Maybe.
      This is a really solid theory. What do you guys think about the anagram in season 5? If Charles is a Cavanaugh, then the solution to the anagram likely isn't "Charles DiLaurentis" like most people think. Marlene said that she's seen 5 theories of the solution for the anagram, one of them being correct. Have you guys seen any of the other solutions that could back up this theory?? 
      What if Charles wanted to be a DiLaurentis, but was raised by the Cavanaughs instead (Which, I guess, would make Toby Charles, unless there's another sibling there)? Maybe Bethany, his sister, was cared for by Mrs. D, but he was left with Marion, or his father?? If so, Bethany could have known something about this, though not everything - that could be why she drew a picture of a demon carrying a little boy away. 
      I think that that could be a possibility as well. Another thing...what is so heartbreaking about Charles' past that will make us feel bad for him? Was he mistreated?

      I can't think of anything good for this yet. My best guesses are that it has something to do with lies he was told about who his parents are and/or his gender identity.

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    • Expanding on the possibility that it could be Toby, check out this post: 

      https://www.facebook.com/notes/442361172581397/

      I think it's safe to assume that Big A and Uber A are two different people, and Uber A is more likely to be Red Coat / Black Veil. Season 3 is supposededly when it was decided that "Charles" would be A, but did Marlene ever say that he was the one to steal the game from Mona right in 3x01? That could have been Uber A, and Charles / Toby could have had a more gradual start, which escalated in season 4 when he started investigating his mother's death. Notice how, after that storyline becomes important, RC / BV activity decreases. That could be when Charles became the A to watch out for. I always wondered what the relationship was between Big A and Uber A, if they were different people. Maybe Uber A was the one who helped Toby learn more about his mother. That might explain why Toby was acting somewhat selfish and secretive during that arc, forcing Spencer to lie to the others, etc.

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    • ELN99 wrote:
      Criminology wrote:
      Charlescavanaugh wrote:
      ELN99 wrote:
      I don't think the baby is Ali either. If Jason is seven years older than Ali (and we're assuming that Jason is one of those boys) then it can't be her. Those boys are about 3, so that would make them 3 years older than the baby girl Mrs. D is holding. The age differences don't match. I don't think Jason and Charles are twins either. I think Marion Cavanaugh plays a very important role in all of this. Maybe Mrs. D and Marion are twins. They look a lot alike. I'm thinking that maybe Charles is Marion's son, explaining why we saw "C. Cavanaugh" in that sign-in sheet. This would mean that Mrs. D is Charles' aunt. I'm also thinking that Bethany is Marion's daughter as well. We do know that Bethany called Mrs. D Aunt Jessie. So I think that the girl Mrs. D is holding is Bethany. Maybe.
      This is a really solid theory. What do you guys think about the anagram in season 5? If Charles is a Cavanaugh, then the solution to the anagram likely isn't "Charles DiLaurentis" like most people think. Marlene said that she's seen 5 theories of the solution for the anagram, one of them being correct. Have you guys seen any of the other solutions that could back up this theory?? 
      What if Charles wanted to be a DiLaurentis, but was raised by the Cavanaughs instead (Which, I guess, would make Toby Charles, unless there's another sibling there)? Maybe Bethany, his sister, was cared for by Mrs. D, but he was left with Marion, or his father?? If so, Bethany could have known something about this, though not everything - that could be why she drew a picture of a demon carrying a little boy away. 
      I think that that could be a possibility as well. Another thing...what is so heartbreaking about Charles' past that will make us feel bad for him? Was he mistreated?

      Yeah that quote makes me think the same thing, OR that it is someone we feel close to.

      I'm rewatching some episodes and thinking of some crazy ideas. Like maybe one of the girls has a twin.... I haven't heard this anywhere so I haven't brought it up. I'm even looking at little things like episode 1x01 and 3x01, why is it that Spencer is awake before the other girls as they discover one of them is missing. Or why did 'Charles' take the Aria doll out of the prisoner bus... and in 3x01 they mention that Emily was away for the whole summer. She seems distant and troubled but maybe that's because she is drinking and distraught over Maya. Sorry, just had to get my thoughts out. You never know with this show! Edit: Forgot to add...or when Spencer got released from Radley and the girls visited her at home. Aria said they would do anything for Spencer, where Spencer replied 'thats what Im counting on' - but said it more to herself while her back was turned.

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    • The prom thing (on the Dollhouse episode) is what really puzzles me. I have read really good theorys but none make the prom scene make sense, or none even include an explanation for it, if Charles wanted to recreate an old prom (maybe from melissa's time) then how does his fantesy involves Alison?, he would have to be at least Melissa's age, and what does he mean by "You are my favorite"? Its hard to understand rather he means it as a love interest or not, some of the songs that play in the background seem to point to intimate relationships where the two people somehow drifted or got separated. And then there are a lot of old furniture and objects, that would make sense to belong to the parents, its like Charles is stuck in a different era.

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    • Criminology wrote:
      Geafbjkw
      Right now, Wren is not at the top of my suspect list, but he is suspicious. I'm guessing he knows more than he's told the girls.





      On a semi-related note, is there ANY possibility these two could be related?? This casting can't be a coincidence. 


      Who is the other woman?  Thanks

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    • TheMartins08 wrote:
      Criminology wrote:
      Geafbjkw
      Right now, Wren is not at the top of my suspect list, but he is suspicious. I'm guessing he knows more than he's told the girls.




      On a semi-related note, is there ANY possibility these two could be related?? This casting can't be a coincidence. 


      Who is the other woman?  Thanks

      The other woman is Marion Cavanaugh. 

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    • KoreRiba wrote:
      The prom thing (on the Dollhouse episode) is what really puzzles me. I have read really good theorys but none make the prom scene make sense, or none even include an explanation for it, if Charles wanted to recreate an old prom (maybe from melissa's time) then how does his fantesy involves Alison?, he would have to be at least Melissa's age, and what does he mean by "You are my favorite"? Its hard to understand rather he means it as a love interest or not, some of the songs that play in the background seem to point to intimate relationships where the two people somehow drifted or got separated. And then there are a lot of old furniture and objects, that would make sense to belong to the parents, its like Charles is stuck in a different era.

      Maybe Charles, for whatever reason, is older than he's had to pretend to be? Or he was jealous of Jason? Not sure how Ali ties into it... These are all very good questions...

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    • I think the "twins" or doubles Marlene talked about are Jessica and Marion. I think Marion had been in Radley at an earlier time. I believe the baby could be Bethany, and the boys Charles and Jason. Doesn't mean they are brothers, they could be cousins and still look similar. So Marion is in Radley, she could have met Byron's crazy brother in there and became pregnant with Bethany. I believe this all took place before she married Toby's father. Charles could have been a young child. Jessica, knowing she can't care for the children because of her mental illness, forces her to put her children up for adoption. They get separated and adopted by different families--the Youngs and the Kingstons (who live in England). Jessica is on the board at Radley and discovers Bethany is actually her niece. She really takes an interest in her, and tries to help her and give her things. She wants Bethany to call her Aunt Jessi, she buys a horse and takes her to the stables. She discovers and tells Bethany the truth, to which Bethany becomes angry with her and throws something at her. She probably finds out what happened to Marion's son also, and Ali finds out all the information. I believe Wren could have been Beach Hottie and Ali tells him the whole truth. By the time Wren got to Rosewood, ali was gone, so couldn't identify him. I think he got close to Melissa only to get accepted into Rosewood and be able to freely more around without anyone questioning him. I'm not sure he really is a doctor at all. I think he's really insane (and crazy smart too) but needed a way to get into Radley and find out what happened. Finding out that his mother died in Radley, that he sister went missing and his true identity pushed him over the edge. He could believe that Ali had something to do with Bethany's disappearance. His targeting Ali could be a way to get revenge against Jessica. But he really loses it when they discover the body isn't Alison, but is Bethany. My theory gets weak when justifying why he wanted to torture the other four girls. Byron could have helped Jessica with the adoptions because of his brother, maybe the Hastings were the lawyers that handled them. I really have nothing tying Hanna and Emily, but im sure there are things that we don't know yet. What ever it is, we'll find out in a couple months.

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    • EzraisA wrote: I think the "twins" or doubles Marlene talked about are Jessica and Marion. I think Marion had been in Radley at an earlier time. I believe the baby could be Bethany, and the boys Charles and Jason. Doesn't mean they are brothers, they could be cousins and still look similar. So Marion is in Radley, she could have met Byron's crazy brother in there and became pregnant with Bethany. I believe this all took place before she married Toby's father. Charles could have been a young child. Jessica, knowing she can't care for the children because of her mental illness, forces her to put her children up for adoption. They get separated and adopted by different families--the Youngs and the Kingstons (who live in England). Jessica is on the board at Radley and discovers Bethany is actually her niece. She really takes an interest in her, and tries to help her and give her things. She wants Bethany to call her Aunt Jessi, she buys a horse and takes her to the stables. She discovers and tells Bethany the truth, to which Bethany becomes angry with her and throws something at her. She probably finds out what happened to Marion's son also, and Ali finds out all the information. I believe Wren could have been Beach Hottie and Ali tells him the whole truth. By the time Wren got to Rosewood, ali was gone, so couldn't identify him. I think he got close to Melissa only to get accepted into Rosewood and be able to freely more around without anyone questioning him. I'm not sure he really is a doctor at all. I think he's really insane (and crazy smart too) but needed a way to get into Radley and find out what happened. Finding out that his mother died in Radley, that he sister went missing and his true identity pushed him over the edge. He could believe that Ali had something to do with Bethany's disappearance. His targeting Ali could be a way to get revenge against Jessica. But he really loses it when they discover the body isn't Alison, but is Bethany. My theory gets weak when justifying why he wanted to torture the other four girls. Byron could have helped Jessica with the adoptions because of his brother, maybe the Hastings were the lawyers that handled them. I really have nothing tying Hanna and Emily, but im sure there are things that we don't know yet. What ever it is, we'll find out in a couple months.

      That is a GREAT theory. This is why I love PLL.

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      EzraisA wrote: I think the "twins" or doubles Marlene talked about are Jessica and Marion. I think Marion had been in Radley at an earlier time. I believe the baby could be Bethany, and the boys Charles and Jason. Doesn't mean they are brothers, they could be cousins and still look similar. So Marion is in Radley, she could have met Byron's crazy brother in there and became pregnant with Bethany. I believe this all took place before she married Toby's father. Charles could have been a young child. Jessica, knowing she can't care for the children because of her mental illness, forces her to put her children up for adoption. They get separated and adopted by different families--the Youngs and the Kingstons (who live in England). Jessica is on the board at Radley and discovers Bethany is actually her niece. She really takes an interest in her, and tries to help her and give her things. She wants Bethany to call her Aunt Jessi, she buys a horse and takes her to the stables. She discovers and tells Bethany the truth, to which Bethany becomes angry with her and throws something at her. She probably finds out what happened to Marion's son also, and Ali finds out all the information. I believe Wren could have been Beach Hottie and Ali tells him the whole truth. By the time Wren got to Rosewood, ali was gone, so couldn't identify him. I think he got close to Melissa only to get accepted into Rosewood and be able to freely more around without anyone questioning him. I'm not sure he really is a doctor at all. I think he's really insane (and crazy smart too) but needed a way to get into Radley and find out what happened. Finding out that his mother died in Radley, that he sister went missing and his true identity pushed him over the edge. He could believe that Ali had something to do with Bethany's disappearance. His targeting Ali could be a way to get revenge against Jessica. But he really loses it when they discover the body isn't Alison, but is Bethany. My theory gets weak when justifying why he wanted to torture the other four girls. Byron could have helped Jessica with the adoptions because of his brother, maybe the Hastings were the lawyers that handled them. I really have nothing tying Hanna and Emily, but im sure there are things that we don't know yet. What ever it is, we'll find out in a couple months.

      That is a GREAT theory. This is why I love PLL.

      I said this before the finale and I'll say it again: I full-heartedly believe that Charles is a Cavanaugh/Dilaurentis.

      I agree with you completely. I think the twins are actually Jessica and Marion, not Jason and Charles. Also, that the baby she is holding in the video is Bethany.

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    • Thanks CharlesCavanaugh. I'm sure I left things out that I just don't remember, but at this point anything is possible.

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    • Watch episode 1x17 (The New Normal)! The inside of Toby's house looks a lot like Charles' vault, and the wall-lamps are almost identical. There are also dolls.

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    • What do you all make of this?

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    • Criminology wrote:
      Watch episode 1x17 (The New Normal)! The inside of Toby's house looks a lot like Charles' vault, and the wall-lamps are almost identical. There are also dolls.

      You're right! It does look similar! Even the wall colors match. What do you think it means exactly?

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    • And this (from Facebook): "Marlene king said that aria is the only liar who knows a"

      Apparently Marlene posted this info on Snapchat, but that's hearsay. Can anyone confirm it?

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    • ELN99 wrote:
      Criminology wrote:
      Watch episode 1x17 (The New Normal)! The inside of Toby's house looks a lot like Charles' vault, and the wall-lamps are almost identical. There are also dolls.
      You're right! It does look similar! Even the wall colors match. What do you think it means exactly?

      I have my suspicions about Toby being Charles... there does seem to be a lot of evidence, and he fits certain descriptions that Marlene and the others have given - like how Charles' inner strength matches his outer strength.

      There's also a quote in the Season 3 finale: "All things truly wicked start from innocence." I keep coming back to this. It must be a clue.

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    • Criminology wrote:
      What do you all make of this?
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      Maybe that older man is Byron? and the young blonde girl is Bethany. (maybe he's her father somehow and he's the one Mrs. D had an affair with?) We know Byron has cheated once before. Also, in the season 4 finale, it's revealed in a flashback that Byron and Ali had a confrontation the night she went missing and something he said caught my attention. He said to Ali "you know how much it will hurt Aria if you make that call. I don't think you're that horrible of a person." We were meant to believe that this was about Meredith, but didn't Aria already know about that? What if instead this was about an affair with Mrs. D and Ali knew about it? We also know that Ali knew Bethany and lured her to Rosewood that night. Ali is a master manipulator and had reasons for everything she did that night. What if she knew the truth about Bethany, Byron and her mom (assuming this is all true)? I think she still hasn't told everything that happened that night.

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    • I want to say that makes sense... Byron's family does have a history of mental illness? It was his brother, I think? He could be Bethany's father, but I still think that Marion is more likely Bethany's mother. If she were Mrs. D's, Mr. D would most likely know about her, no matter who the father is... unless Mrs. D did something drastic, like fake Bethany's death and send her away at a very young age (maybe because Mr. D was close to finding out that she had another affair, or because Bethany was showing signs of mental illness). 

      If Byron actually is involved, that would tie the DiLaurentises, the Montgomerys and the Hastingses together. Which might be cause to question whether the Marins and Fieldses are too. During the season 3 Halloween episode, Ashley was the one who kept seeing the little blonde girl - and in the Ravenswood episode, Hanna saw the blonde twins in red coats. That can't be a coincidence. It would be interesting if all 5 families were somehow related (6 if you count the Cavanaughs), and that was why Ali chose the friends that she did. But that's going into extremely implausible territory. 

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    • Someone should try to draw out a family tree with all of these connections. I definitely think we could be on to something. Allie chose each of the four girls for a reason, and I think the connections we've drawn so far could be piecing it together!

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    • Does anyone else wonders why they chose Spencer to reveal Charles's name and why it was her who saw him in the vault room? The Original "A" was related to Hanna, the potential "A" was someone who was close to Aria. Maybe now it's someone who is involved with Spencer?

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    • Streifenzebra wrote:
      Does anyone else wonders why they chose Spencer to reveal Charles's name and why it was her who saw him in the vault room? The Original "A" was related to Hanna, the potential "A" was someone who was close to Aria. Maybe now it's someone who is involved with Spencer?

      Either it's a clue, or a red herring (to make us believe that Charles is Jason's twin).

      Where were the other girls when this was happening? Mona walked in late... were the others just lingering in the hall? Did they run the other way?

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    • Criminology wrote:

      I want to say that makes sense... Byron's family does have a history of mental illness? It was his brother, I think? He could be Bethany's father, but I still think that Marion is more likely Bethany's mother. If she were Mrs. D's, Mr. D would most likely know about her, no matter who the father is... unless Mrs. D did something drastic, like fake Bethany's death and send her away at a very young age (maybe because Mr. D was close to finding out that she had another affair, or because Bethany was showing signs of mental illness). 

      If Byron actually is involved, that would tie the DiLaurentises, the Montgomerys and the Hastingses together. Which might be cause to question whether the Marins and Fieldses are too. During the season 3 Halloween episode, Ashley was the one who kept seeing the little blonde girl - and in the Ravenswood episode, Hanna saw the blonde twins in red coats. That can't be a coincidence. It would be interesting if all 5 families were somehow related (6 if you count the Cavanaughs), and that was why Ali chose the friends that she did. But that's going into extremely implausible territory. 

      I don't think that the Fields or Marin family is related to the other three families. I feel like that would be too much. They are probably being targeted by something Emily and Hanna were apart of. That is what I think. But Hanna seeing twins and Ashley seeing that girl is very strange. I just don't know how to tie that into everything.

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    • They did say we could be "seeing double" in the future. If Jason doesn't have a twin, it could be anyone... although, were it not for those clues, I don't think it would cross my mind that there could be another Marin girl.

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    • Criminology wrote:

      KoreRiba wrote:
      The prom thing (on the Dollhouse episode) is what really puzzles me. I have read really good theorys but none make the prom scene make sense, or none even include an explanation for it, if Charles wanted to recreate an old prom (maybe from melissa's time) then how does his fantesy involves Alison?, he would have to be at least Melissa's age, and what does he mean by "You are my favorite"? Its hard to understand rather he means it as a love interest or not, some of the songs that play in the background seem to point to intimate relationships where the two people somehow drifted or got separated. And then there are a lot of old furniture and objects, that would make sense to belong to the parents, its like Charles is stuck in a different era.

      Maybe Charles, for whatever reason, is older than he's had to pretend to be? Or he was jealous of Jason? Not sure how Ali ties into it... These are all very good questions...

      In my theory, I had a pretty clear answer about Jason and his prom. (To add context, I believe that Charles is an identical twin of Jason that "replaced" Charles in s3.) He missed Jason's prom because he was stuck at Radley. But, he always wanted to go to a prom. Him being A is him recreating his life that he missed in Radley. Jason was in the N.A.T. Club creeping on girls and now Charles is A creeping on girls. He wanted to be Charles so he essentially replaced him. The reason he has an obsession with Alison so much is that he never had a sister like her and always wanted on. But, the reason why Mona is captured instead of Alison is that Charles refuses to accept that Bethany was in Alison's grave and that he believes Alison is still actually dead.

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      Look at the lamps. They're exactly the same, except the one in Charles' vault has lampshades. The other one is from the mansion in the Ravenswood episode. Either the prop team recycles, or this means something.
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    • TheMartins08 wrote:
      Criminology wrote:
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      Right now, Wren is not at the top of my suspect list, but he is suspicious. I'm guessing he knows more than he's told the girls.




      On a semi-related note, is there ANY possibility these two could be related?? This casting can't be a coincidence. 


      Who is the other woman?  Thanks

      Toby's mom

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    • ELN99 wrote:
      TheMartins08 wrote:
      Criminology wrote:
      Geafbjkw
      Right now, Wren is not at the top of my suspect list, but he is suspicious. I'm guessing he knows more than he's told the girls.




      On a semi-related note, is there ANY possibility these two could be related?? This casting can't be a coincidence. 


      Who is the other woman?  Thanks
      The other woman is Marion Cavanaugh. 


      Thank you.  I dont remember seeing her in it?  Is this from a flashback?

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    • I'm an amateur, so my theory may not count, but I feel like Charles is a DiLaurentis... The message left by Mona unscrambles to be Charles DiLaurentis, and I haven't seen any other theories for what else it could mean. I honestly believe that it's Ali's Dad. It would make sense that Ali is his favorite because shes his daughter. There's been talk since the beginning about a twin, so it also could be Jason's twin, although that my be a bit too obvious. I don't have a lot of proof or facts from specific episodes like everyone else, but that's my theory and I'm sticking with it. Reading everyone else's theories on here is so interesting, though. There's so many things that I've either missed or haven't even thought of! If you think I'm wrong somewhere, please let me know! I'm intrigued to find out what else I've missed. :-))

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    • oh! and have you heard about the to kill a mockingbird theory??

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    • Yes, I have ^ ! I think it could have some validity! That would be pretty clever.

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    • PLL photo

      Why does the boy in the photo frame seems to be smaller and younger than the girl? Isn't he supposed to be older than the girl in the video? o_O

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      Why does the boy in the photo frame seems to be smaller and younger than the girl? Isn't he supposed to be older than the girl in the video? o_O

      Maybe he is just shorter than her, not necessarily younger. But its funny that in the drawing Wren shows to Mona at Radley, the girl is also older than the boy, unlike on the video at Charles room. 

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    • HAND PRINTS ARE JASON'S, CHARLES', AND ALISON'S!!!


      They are siblings. This is probably some family project they did. The top two are the boy's handprints and the green one's are Alison's. Remeber how she broke her arm when she was a kid? Well after she broke her arm she probably couldn't put pressure on it to make the handprints which is why the hand is different from the others. Something must have happened while making that project, I'm betting that's why it's significant. 

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    • I read through an interview with one of the producers, Oliver Goldstick, and there is one thing that he said that makes me think we might be onto something with thinking Charles could be a Cavanaugh and a Dilaurentis. Here it is: 

      But Charles is part of the DiLaurentis family?

      Uh, yeah — maybe! Yes and no, I'm going to say yes and no. How about that for facetious? Yes and no!

      If you want to read the full interview (which I suggest because it gives a few teasers for season 6) here is the link: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/pretty-little-liars-pll-finale-784336 

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    • ELN99 wrote: I read through an interview with one of the producers, Oliver Goldstick, and there is one thing that he said that makes me think we might be onto something with thinking Charles could be a Cavanaugh and a Dilaurentis. Here it is: 

      But Charles is part of the DiLaurentis family?

      Uh, yeah — maybe! Yes and no, I'm going to say yes and no. How about that for facetious? Yes and no!

      If you want to read the full interview (which I suggest because it gives a few teasers for season 6) here is the link: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/pretty-little-liars-pll-finale-784336 

      Oliver Goldstick forgot to mention that Melissa is a brainiac too. ^^ And she is somehow part of the DiLaurentis family. :P

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    • Streifenzebra wrote:

      ELN99 wrote: I read through an interview with one of the producers, Oliver Goldstick, and there is one thing that he said that makes me think we might be onto something with thinking Charles could be a Cavanaugh and a Dilaurentis. Here it is: 

      But Charles is part of the DiLaurentis family?

      Uh, yeah — maybe! Yes and no, I'm going to say yes and no. How about that for facetious? Yes and no!

      If you want to read the full interview (which I suggest because it gives a few teasers for season 6) here is the link: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/pretty-little-liars-pll-finale-784336

      Oliver Goldstick forgot to mention that Melissa is a brainiac too. ^^ And she is somehow part of the DiLaurentis family. :P

      Indeed she is:p I believe she plays an important role in all of this as well.

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    • I'm thinking more and more that A's whole psycho game is about what happened to Bethany. This wasn't in Charles vault, but in Spencers dollhouse room:

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    • ELN99 wrote:

      Streifenzebra wrote:

      ELN99 wrote: I read through an interview with one of the producers, Oliver Goldstick, and there is one thing that he said that makes me think we might be onto something with thinking Charles could be a Cavanaugh and a Dilaurentis. Here it is: 

      But Charles is part of the DiLaurentis family?

      Uh, yeah — maybe! Yes and no, I'm going to say yes and no. How about that for facetious? Yes and no!

      If you want to read the full interview (which I suggest because it gives a few teasers for season 6) here is the link: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/pretty-little-liars-pll-finale-784336

      Oliver Goldstick forgot to mention that Melissa is a brainiac too. ^^ And she is somehow part of the DiLaurentis family. :P

      Indeed she is:p I believe she plays an important role in all of this as well.

      Maybe, because Mrs. Hastings mentioned that they took the girls to the farm when they were little. So it seems that they are involved somehow.

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    • And did anyone noticed the sign A behind Spencer after she smashed the window? S05E25 6:55 (Maybe someone has a screenshot?) And why aren't there any photo's in the frames on the shelf in Spencers room? S05E25 05:38 (screenshot someone?)

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    • @Streifenzebra: Here you go:

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    • Thnx a lot LolA126 :)))

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    • Streifenzebra wrote:
      And did anyone noticed the sign A behind Spencer after she smashed the window? S05E25 6:55 (Maybe someone has a screenshot?)

      And why aren't there any photo's in the frames on the shelf in Spencers room? S05E25 05:38 (screenshot someone?)

      I noticed, its just like the one she has in her bedroom, but her has an S.

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      Each girl had specific things in their rooms I guess.
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    • Tea time
      What are your thoughts?
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    • There was also a piano in one of A's ending scenes, that looked like the one in Wren' s room, but I read somewhere that Shana had been into his house so idk, also the walls are different.

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      here are screenshots of a semilar piano being used by A.

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      I also thought it was interesting that Wren has a picture with 3 skeletons, and at the dollhouse there is a drawing with 3 skeletons at the game room, do you think it means anything?

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    • Tea time is also popular in France and Charles is a French name. The liars even received a French text message from BIG A when they were in Ravenswood saying "leger de main". Paige for instance is also a French name and it's given to males and females. And didn't Paiges parents have a lots of money? So she could afford a dollhouse. ^^ What I'm trying to say is I'm not convinced that Wren is BIG A, although he could be. I'm still waiting for a clue that will convince me that only THAT one person can be BIG A. Right now it could be anyone for me even the janitor of Rosewood High School. Goldstick and King only said that we already met Charles before, not that it is someone who is close to the liars of someone we saw more than once. But it would be a huge turn off if BIG A is just a random person. o_O

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    • @KoreRiba: Yes! Especially after I rewatched the s4 endings and spotted the piano you just mentioned. A's handwriting matches the one in the dollhouse.
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      The three skeletons are a really good catch!!!
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    • TheMartins08 wrote:
      ELN99 wrote:
      TheMartins08 wrote:
      Criminology wrote:
      Geafbjkw
      Right now, Wren is not at the top of my suspect list, but he is suspicious. I'm guessing he knows more than he's told the girls.



      On a semi-related note, is there ANY possibility these two could be related?? This casting can't be a coincidence. 


      Who is the other woman?  Thanks
      The other woman is Marion Cavanaugh. 

      Thank you.  I dont remember seeing her in it?  Is this from a flashback?

      she's in a flashback in season 4 ('A' is for A-l-i-v-e)

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    • LolA126 wrote:

      @KoreRiba: Yes! Especially after I rewatched the s4 endings and spotted the piano you just mentioned. A's handwriting matches the one in the dollhouse.
      Piano wren
      The three skeletons are a really good catch!!!

      In the first picture u can see a bird cage. The name Wren is a bird name.

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    • The adoption angle makes sense, but also pointing out that if the child was Marion's and someone other than Charles DiLaurentis, the child would technically NOT be a Dilaurentis (due to that not being Jessica's maiden name). Although, if Marion and Jessica were twins, would Jessica really have been able to keep that a secret from everyone? Wouldn't someone (anyone in her family or anyone in Marion's family) know that they were sisters? In the case that they were unaware, I guess that would make sense but that would also not make for a really interesting backstory to A.

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    • @Streifenzebra: Your're right! I didn't even notice this. The bird "Wren" was also shown in A's lair.
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      Someone on reddit made some great connections with the whole Charles thing:
      Charles analysis

      "The great Charlemagne" was the name of the mysterious Mime in Ravenswood (4x12), who Marlene confirmed to be a big clue to Charles.

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    • So if we assume Wren is not a twin-- the theories are that he is Bethany's older brother? The only way the name Charles DiLaurentis could fit in is if Kenneth DiLaurentis had an affair (which also makes sense as to why Wren + Melissa is not incest). If Kenneth had an affair with Marion then Wren would be related to Toby and if it was Byron he would be related to Aria. Melissa seems to know about most of the stuff going on, but why keep it a secret? If she knew Wren was kidnapping/killing/torturing people then I doubt she'd be helping him, but if there are other things we're unaware of she could be trying to protect him as well.

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    • Has anyone thought about why Jessica is telling a small child to say goodbye to their sister? I find that to be such an odd occurrence. Thoughts on the goodbye??

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    • The Wren theory is a nice one! But in 4x18 we could see how BIG A was holding prescription pads in his/her hands, with Wrens name on it. Isn't that a bit too obvious? That's not just a clue, it's like rubbing it under our noses. -_-
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    • She was telling them to say goodnight and not goodbye- probably has some significance though.


      I don't necessarily think A is definitely Wren, but there could be some explanations. Obviously someone was helping him whether it was Mona, Melissa, Shauna, or whoever knows. I was just pointing out that if it was Wren, it wasn't because he was Jason's twin.

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    • Streifenzebra wrote:
      The Wren theory is a nice one! But in 4x18 we could see how BIG A was holding prescription pads in his/her hands, with Wrens name on it. Isn't that a bit too obvious? That's not just a clue, it's like rubbing it under our noses. -_-
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      That could be exactly what they want us to think. After all, if you watch season 1 or season 2 knowing Mona is A, there are some pretty obvious hints.

      Looking back at Marlene's BTS picture, and the clothes the boys are wearing (so basically, thinking like Hanna), the boy on out left could easily be Wren. I mean, can't you imagine him wearing that outfit? The other boy  - the one who didn't kiss the baby - could be Jason. That would make sense if the baby Mrs. D was holding was Wren's sister Bethany. Wren being A could also explain why A helped Toby investigate his mother, since (assuming he's Marion's son), they would be half-brothers. And birds / flight have been quite significant on the show for a while now.

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    • Although I'd hate to believe it, the Toby theory is becoming to seem more and more possible to me. If they don't pull off the reveal as heart wrenchingly as possible I'll be really disappointed though. 

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    • @Criminology

      Assuming you're right, wouldn't be Spencer his favorite and not Alison (referring to the gasmask)? He had a big crush on her. And wouldn't Wren hate Ali because of the whole Bethany thing? Btw both of the boys have blue eyes. Wren's eye color is brown. Just bad casting?

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    • Streifenzebra Probably. I'm still more sold on the Toby theory, but Wren being Charles could make sense. Then again, why would Ali be Toby's favourite? Her being the "favourite" narrows the pool quite a bit, given what we know now. Whomever it is, there are going to be mizzing pieces of the puzzle. Remember it'll take a whole ten episodes to answer all of our questions...

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    • @Criminology Now you sound like MK. Maybe I create a new theory and allege that you are indeed MK. First u make us analyzing what the clues in the vault room could mean. Then you raise even more questions for us to answer and one time u like the theory about Byron being A and the next time Toby is on the top of your suspect list. That is really suspicious! ^^ And all that just because of your last sentence: Remember it'll take a whole ten episodes to answer all of our questions... :P

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    • Streifenzebra wrote:
      @Criminology

      Now you sound like MK. Maybe I create a new theory and allege that you are indeed MK. First u make us analyzing what the clues in the vault room could mean. Then you raise even more questions for us to answer and one time u like the theory about Byron being A and the next time Toby is on the top of your suspect list. That is really suspicious! ^^ And all that just because of your last sentence: Remember it'll take a whole ten episodes to answer all of our questions... :P

      Aw shucks, I guess I'm busted! LOL jk. If I were MK, I'd be watching these threads and laughing maniacally, with a bag of popcorn beside my computer. I'm just indecisive - all of your theories are so good, and I don't want to rule anything out! (Although, for the record, I have ruled out Byron... I think... oh, see what I mean??)

      ...

      ...

      Buuut then again, isn't that what MK would say if she had been busted cyber-stalking her own show? Muahahaha you'll never know ;)

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    • Marlene revealed that there's going to be another missing girl this upcoming season... Who do you think that's going to be???

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    • Criminology wrote:
      Streifenzebra wrote:
      @Criminology

      Now you sound like MK. Maybe I create a new theory and allege that you are indeed MK. First u make us analyzing what the clues in the vault room could mean. Then you raise even more questions for us to answer and one time u like the theory about Byron being A and the next time Toby is on the top of your suspect list. That is really suspicious! ^^ And all that just because of your last sentence: Remember it'll take a whole ten episodes to answer all of our questions... :P

      Aw shucks, I guess I'm busted! LOL jk. If I were MK, I'd be watching these threads and laughing maniacally, with a bag of popcorn beside my computer. I'm just indecisive - all of your theories are so good, and I don't want to rule anything out! (Although, for the record, I have ruled out Byron... I think... oh, see what I mean??)

      ...

      ...

      Buuut then again, isn't that what MK would say if she had been busted cyber-stalking her own show? Muahahaha you'll never know ;)

      I agree with ruling out Byron.


      And I also agree with Criminology probably being MK. ;)

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    • I really like the Wren theory! He is someone that I suspect a lot. I'm not sure if he really is A, but that theory about "Charlemagne" and the bird are super convincing! A sent the liars a message in season 3 saying that "Mona played with dolls. I play with body parts." Wren is a doctor and is around bodies a lot! Also, A likes to drink. In one scene, A is seen drinking a vodka soda...Wren has been seen drinking that as well in either the first or second episode of season 1. 

      On a different note, I just listened to a song that matches PLL perfectly. Like I can imagine hearing it in a future episode. For anyone who likes to relate music to storylines or shows it's called "Dream" by Imagine Dragons. I feel the lyrics fit well with the show as well as the tone of the song. Seriously give it a listen if you have an opportunity and just think Pretty Little Liars the whole time!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCSX3mM6940 

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    • ELN99 wrote:

      Charlescavanaugh wrote:

      EzraisA wrote: I think the "twins" or doubles Marlene talked about are Jessica and Marion. I think Marion had been in Radley at an earlier time. I believe the baby could be Bethany, and the boys Charles and Jason. Doesn't mean they are brothers, they could be cousins and still look similar. So Marion is in Radley, she could have met Byron's crazy brother in there and became pregnant with Bethany. I believe this all took place before she married Toby's father. Charles could have been a young child. Jessica, knowing she can't care for the children because of her mental illness, forces her to put her children up for adoption. They get separated and adopted by different families--the Youngs and the Kingstons (who live in England). Jessica is on the board at Radley and discovers Bethany is actually her niece. She really takes an interest in her, and tries to help her and give her things. She wants Bethany to call her Aunt Jessi, she buys a horse and takes her to the stables. She discovers and tells Bethany the truth, to which Bethany becomes angry with her and throws something at her. She probably finds out what happened to Marion's son also, and Ali finds out all the information. I believe Wren could have been Beach Hottie and Ali tells him the whole truth. By the time Wren got to Rosewood, ali was gone, so couldn't identify him. I think he got close to Melissa only to get accepted into Rosewood and be able to freely more around without anyone questioning him. I'm not sure he really is a doctor at all. I think he's really insane (and crazy smart too) but needed a way to get into Radley and find out what happened. Finding out that his mother died in Radley, that he sister went missing and his true identity pushed him over the edge. He could believe that Ali had something to do with Bethany's disappearance. His targeting Ali could be a way to get revenge against Jessica. But he really loses it when they discover the body isn't Alison, but is Bethany. My theory gets weak when justifying why he wanted to torture the other four girls. Byron could have helped Jessica with the adoptions because of his brother, maybe the Hastings were the lawyers that handled them. I really have nothing tying Hanna and Emily, but im sure there are things that we don't know yet. What ever it is, we'll find out in a couple months.

      That is a GREAT theory. This is why I love PLL.

      I said this before the finale and I'll say it again: I full-heartedly believe that Charles is a Cavanaugh/Dilaurentis.

      I agree with you completely. I think the twins are actually Jessica and Marion, not Jason and Charles. Also, that the baby she is holding in the video is Bethany.

      I have a similar theory to this

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    • ELN99 wrote: I really like the Wren theory! He is someone that I suspect a lot. I'm not sure if he really is A, but that theory about "Charlemagne" and the bird are super convincing! A sent the liars a message in season 3 saying that "Mona played with dolls. I play with body parts." Wren is a doctor and is around bodies a lot! Also, A likes to drink. In one scene, A is seen drinking a vodka soda...Wren has been seen drinking that as well in either the first or second episode of season 1. 

      On a different note, I just listened to a song that matches PLL perfectly. Like I can imagine hearing it in a future episode. For anyone who likes to relate music to storylines or shows it's called "Dream" by Imagine Dragons. I feel the lyrics fit well with the show as well as the tone of the song. Seriously give it a listen if you have an opportunity and just think Pretty Little Liars the whole time!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCSX3mM6940 

      But Wren has still the wrong eye color! Of how would you explain that the boys have blue eyes and Wren's eye color is brown?

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    • Criminology wrote:

      Tlmc23 wrote:
      Screenshot687
      Thank you for this thread! I was looking for a discussion on this ever since Marlene mentioned that there are a lot of clues in this room. I noticed all the things you posted above, but I would love to figure out the framed handprints. Never noticed they were all right hands, except one. I wonder if the amount of hands in numbers means anything... 5, 5, 3. Number of people/family members? Does each row represent one person? Or does the total amount mean anything? Or the meaning in there is something else totally different... I did notice another thing on the wall. A set of pictures and a puzzle with one missing piece. It looks like two baby pictures, possibly of two different people, and maybe a picture of the girls?Here is a screencap I took:

      (Click on image for full size)

      https://imageshack.com/i/idHs8gYlp

      Good eye! I was trying to figure out what that white splotch (the puzzle piece) was. 


      I think there's definitely some numerical clue in the painting. It could be:

      553 (with each number and color referring to something different, like a family or a sibling)

      355

      64 (number of visible fingers)

      13 (5+5+3)

      75 (5x5x3)

      11 (the left handprint is the 11th)

      Right behind Spencer there is a pic on the wall of Mrs D and the 2 boys

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    • KoreRiba wrote: There was also a piano in one of A's ending scenes, that looked like the one in Wren' s room, but I read somewhere that Shana had been into his house so idk, also the walls are different.

      324545









      here are screenshots of a semilar piano being used by A.

      http://analyzinga.tumblr.com/post/98523701272/plldeadlysecrets-a-ending-fridays-1-me-and

      I also thought it was interesting that Wren has a picture with 3 skeletons, and at the dollhouse there is a drawing with 3 skeletons at the game room, do you think it means anything?

      42531

      I could be wrong but wasn't that police puppet in the background of the pic in the game room at the dollhouse???

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    • KoreRiba wrote:
      Streifenzebra wrote:
      PLL photo
      Why does the boy in the photo frame seems to be smaller and younger than the girl? Isn't he supposed to be older than the girl in the video? o_O
      Maybe he is just shorter than her, not necessarily younger. But its funny that in the drawing Wren shows to Mona at Radley, the girl is also older than the boy, unlike on the video at Charles room. 

      this is a frame in arias room, might be arias family - you cant fix it on the hair color - 

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    • Prettylittletheories wrote:
      oh! and have you heard about the to kill a mockingbird theory??

      hey could you link the link :) thx

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    • Julian Morris has greenish eyes, not brown. Wren has the same eye color as Aria actually, and the same eye color as A. Many children are born with blue eyes and the color changes as they grow older. Plus, Jason' eyes are also green, not blue. Lol. So Jason wasn't one of the boys either?

      Wren Aria eye color
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    • ARIA AND WREN HAVE THE SAME COLOR AND ALSO JENNA, SHE HAS A PRETTY SIMILAR EYE COLOR.... MAYBE SHE HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH ALL OF THIS AND SHE CAN SEE WITH ONLY ONE EYE...

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    • LolA126 wrote: Julian Morris has greenish eyes, not brown. Wren has the same eye color as Aria actually, and the same eye color as A. Many children are born with blue eyes and the color changes as they grow older. Plus, Jason' eyes are also green, not blue. Lol. So Jason wasn't one of the boys either?

      Wren Aria eye color

      Children get their permanent eye color by the age of 12 months. So greenish and sparkling blue are a huge difference. I saw the Wren signs too, as you know. But they try to be so accurate about every detail.

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    • Dam it, i need a hint! wrote:

      KoreRiba wrote:
      Streifenzebra wrote:
      PLL photo
      Why does the boy in the photo frame seems to be smaller and younger than the girl? Isn't he supposed to be older than the girl in the video? o_O
      Maybe he is just shorter than her, not necessarily younger. But its funny that in the drawing Wren shows to Mona at Radley, the girl is also older than the boy, unlike on the video at Charles room. 

      this is a frame in arias room, might be arias family - you cant fix it on the hair color - 

      BIG A couldn't find a doll with hair that resembles Aria's??? But he/she could do all the other stuff? Don't believe it for a second.

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    • Streifenzebra wrote:

      LolA126 wrote: Julian Morris has greenish eyes, not brown. Wren has the same eye color as Aria actually, and the same eye color as A. Many children are born with blue eyes and the color changes as they grow older. Plus, Jason' eyes are also green, not blue. Lol. So Jason wasn't one of the boys either?

      Wren Aria eye color
      Children get their permanent eye color by the age of 12 months. So greenish and sparkling blue are a huge difference. I saw the Wren signs too, as you know. But they try to be so accurate about every detail.


      So the only familar person left, who's age matches with Charles and who shares the same eye color as the little boy in the video, would be Ezra. But Ezra was with Toby, Tanner and Caleb while Charles was with the girls. Honestly, I have no idea who the boy could have been, if not Ezra or Wren. :/ All the other characters are either older, or younger than Jason, Melissa and Ian. And does that mean, none of the boy's in the video are A, since A has green eyes?

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    • LolA126 The search could have happened before or after what we saw in the dollhouse. Otherwise, we'd have a lot of - semi-suspicious - people to rule out. There was nothing in the episode that confirmed the two storylines as simultaneous (unless I missed it?).

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    • @LolA126

      Really, I don't know. Maybe I am too fixated on the eye color. There are a lot of signs that point into Wren's direction. But can u tell me why Alison should be his favorite? What about CeCe? She escaped to Paris. There are a few French references. Like the postcard Emily got from Paris in 3x18, the word Carlemagne and the French text message the girls got in Ravenswood. Big A also seems to look very young, because he/she had to show his/her ID when he/she wanted to buy whiskey (3x18). And there are a lot of hints that BIG A has a sweet tooth. All of the theories WHY BIG A is who he/she is, don't satisfy me. I think I should rewatch all the seasons in my native language. Maybe I will become wiser. o_O

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    • Keegan Allen, who stars as Spencer Hastings's (Troian Bellisario) boyfriend Toby Cavanaugh, says he has the answer ... and meticulous viewers could solve the mystery, too.

      "I do know who it is," Allen tells PEOPLE of the latest baddie to cyber-bully Rosewood's four leading ladies. "And what I love about who it is is that everyone knows who it is ... but it will be so shocking and surprising."

      "Everyone will freak out because it's so clearly in every episode," he adds, laughing. "When it's finally revealed, you could literally go back to season 1 and knowing who it is, you can be like, 'Oh, wow. Whoa. This has been here all along, and I never noticed it,' which is, I think, brilliant."

      http://www.people.com/article/pretty-little-liars-keegan-allen-life-love-beauty

      What does he mean everyone knows who it is...-_- We're still quessing

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    • @Streifenzebra: Ugh, I don't really know why Ali would be Wren's favourite. If she is A's favorite, then why did he replace her with Mona dressed in Ali's clothes the night she "died"? Why didn't he want the real Alison in the dollhouse? The only solution I can think of is that it has something to do with Bethany. Apparently the Bethany and Charles storyline will be resolved together in s6, so there has to be some connection. The baby we saw in the video couldn't have been Alison, because the boys aren't seven years old. Mrs. D. wanted Bethany to call her aunt - maybe because she either her blood aunt or her aunt from Kenneth's side of family, which would make her in fact a "DiLaurentis". I think, she is holding her niece, Bethany. No twins: The litte boy with the longer hair, who patts the baby on the head is Jessicas son Jason and the boy, she asks to kiss his sister is her nephew Charles aka Wren (fake name). I think Bethany's murder could be Charles motive for being A. Charles is said to hate and loves Alison at the same time: he despises Alison, because she lured Bethany to Rosewood, but at the same time he loves her and calls her his "favorite", because she resembles her cousin Bethany - his dead sister. Charles seems determined to protect her from something... from the four Liars.We know the Liars were drugged by Alison with sleeping pills the night Bethany died. However they did not sleep the whole night. Ali claims that Spencer went to sleep again, after they argued. That was before she was hit with the rock. But in the pilot, Spencer is still wandering around outside AFTER Ali was hit and claims she heard her scream - but Ali never screamed. Also when Aria fells asleep, Pigtunia lies next to her, but when she awakes the puppet is suddenly gone. When Jason left the house that night, he spots a red cup (identical to the ones the Liars drank from in the barn) on the porch and drinks from it. Soon after that, he passes out and remembers almost nothing later on. I think that was, because there were still sleeping pills inside the cup. One of the Liars left it, when wandering around outside. A prominent side effect for sleeping pills is MEMORY LOSS. I think the Liars could have all done something to Bethany, that they don't remember anymore. Spencer once remembered chasing a blonde girl through the woods with the shovel and hitting her. Bethany was in fact hit with a shovel, while Alison was hit with a rock. When under hypnosis, Emily sees herself hitting Alison with a shovel too - in the same spot Melissa later found Bethany unconcious. Maybe that is the reason why A wanted Ali and the Liars in prison. He may have wanted them being locked up for his sisters murder, hence the bible verse about vengeance.

      Both, Wren and Bethany had mental illness in their family. There were some clues pointing toward Wren and Bethany being possible siblings (or at least towards Bethany having a brother):
      Bethanys family
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    • LolA126 wrote:
      @Streifenzebra: Ugh, I don't really know why Ali would be Wren's favourite. If she is A's favorite, then why did he replace her with Mona dressed in Ali's clothes the night she "died"? Why didn't he want the real Alison in the dollhouse? The only solution I can think of is that it has something to do with Bethany. Apparently the Bethany and Charles storyline will be resolved together in s6, so there has to be some connection. The baby we saw in the video couldn't have been Alison, because the boys aren't seven years old. Mrs. D. wanted Bethany to call her aunt - maybe because she either her blood aunt or her aunt from Kenneth's side of family, which would make her in fact a "DiLaurentis". I think, she is holding her niece, Bethany. No twins: The litte boy with the longer hair, who patts the baby on the head is Jessicas son Jason and the boy, she asks to kiss his sister is her nephew Charles aka Wren (fake name). I think Bethany's murder could be Charles motive for being A. Charles is said to hate and loves Alison at the same time: he despises Alison, because she lured Bethany to Rosewood, but at the same time he loves her and calls her his "favorite", because she resembles her cousin Bethany - his dead sister. Charles seems determined to protect her from something... from the four Liars.We know the Liars were drugged by Alison with sleeping pills the night Bethany died. However they did not sleep the whole night. Ali claims that Spencer went to sleep again, after they argued. That was before she was hit with the rock. But in the pilot, Spencer is still wandering around outside AFTER Ali was hit and claims she heard her scream - but Ali never screamed. Also when Aria fells asleep, Pigtunia lies next to her, but when she awakes the puppet is suddenly gone. When Jason left the house that night, he spots a red cup (identical to the ones the Liars drank from in the barn) on the porch and drinks from it. Soon after that, he passes out and remembers almost nothing later on. I think that was, because there were still sleeping pills inside the cup. One of the Liars left it, when wandering around outside. A prominent side effect for sleeping pills is MEMORY LOSS. I think the Liars could have all done something to Bethany, that they don't remember anymore. Spencer once remembered chasing a blonde girl through the woods with the shovel and hitting her. Bethany was in fact hit with a shovel, while Alison was hit with a rock. When under hypnosis, Emily sees herself hitting Alison with a shovel too - in the same spot Melissa later found Bethany unconcious. Maybe that is the reason why A wanted Ali and the Liars in prison. He may have wanted them being locked up for his sisters murder, hence the bible verse about vengeance. Both, Wren and Bethany had mental illness in their family. There were some clues pointing toward Wren and Bethany being possible siblings (or at least towards Bethany having a brother):
      Bethanys family

      I think this is brilliant.

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    • @ LolA126

      That's sounds nice so far. But why does the girl (Bethany) seems to be taller than the boy (Wren)? Isn't he supposed to be older than her? I'm aware of the fact that girls are often taller than boys of the same age. What in the world could Bethany have eaten that would have given her such a growth spurt? ^^

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    • @Criminology: Thank you so much! Took me forever to find all the pictures. :)

      @Streifenzebra: Honestly, these are mannquins, no real children, so I don't believe the height is very significant. Charles isn't younger than Bethany. :) We know he was at least 21 when Bethany died and she was 17. Although he might have a younger brother, since one picture in A's playroom showed three skeletons in green, pink and blue (boy, girl, boy) and there was also a painting of three different colored handprints. I had a thought about Andrew being a possibility, because he is younger than Wren and Bethany and he could easily pass as a cousin to Ali and Jason by his looks - but I'm not sure. He was introduced really late (s4 I think) in the show and probably won't play a mayor role. However it could explain why Andrew is acting so shady recently and why the video was filmed on the Campbell farm. I thought maybe Jessica and the mom of Charles and Bethany could have been Campbells by birth. Andrew might still go by this name to avoid connections. That means he'd be helping psycho A with his game, because that is his big brother. He might have been posing as Varjak as well, since Aria wondered why Varjak was calling her on her phone, even though she didn't know him. But Andrew had Arias phone number. Marlene also teased he is more involved than we suspect. However, like I already said, Im not so sure about the Andrew sibling thing. He could be just a childhood friend of Charles and Bethany and they met each other at the Campbell, when they used to pick apples there.

      Interesting Andrew/Varjak comparison:

      PLL-Andrew-Varjak
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    • Deestar2003 That part of the picture is from the dollhouse game room, and the other half is from Wren's apartment. But if you notice above Wren there is a medical type picture with 3 skeletons, while in the dollhouse room there is a childish semilar version of it.

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    • When Mrs. Grunwald said, "One of you has been touched by the one Alison fears the most," do you think she was talking about Charles (Big A), or this mysterious, maybe-real "Uber A" person? If she meant Charles, and the comment was literal, it would rule out Toby. It wouldn't rule out Ezra or Wren (even though Wren kissed Hanna as well as Spencer, Hanna wasn't there to hear this comment).

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    • @LolA126

      If your theory is right, Mk should hire u as a writer for the next 2 seasons. ^^ FYI, I want to be one of the girls to be Uber A. That would be so awesome. :P

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    • Mona told everything
      Marlene tweeted that Big A stole the game from Mona, when she was in Radley. Wren worked in Radley, when Mona was a patient there and their strange conversation in 4x10 strongly implies that Mona told him what she had done to the Liars as Original A. "Mona told everything": Mona told Wren about the A-Game.

      I noticed in Melissa and Wrens apartment stands a sculpture of the letter "A", even though none of their names starts with it. Also the blood in Spencers bag HAD to be planted in London, because there is no way the security wouldn't have found it at the airport. My money is on Colin, for planting it in Spencers bag. Soon after her freakout in Colins presence, she got a message from A teasing her about the blood. Colin easily could have texted Wren just in time, that A's bloody prank worked out.

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    • @Streifenzebra: A's sweet tooth: Wren used to smoke, as shown in the pilot. Now, a prominent distraction for someone, who wants to quit smoking is eating CANDY. People who quit smoking experience low blood sugar afterwards, so you they crave snacks. Eating gives them something to put in their mouth instead of a cigarette, and it temporarily satisfies the desire.
      A's sweet tooth

      Charlemagne: Isn't a french clue, because Charlemagne refers to "Charles the Great", who was the ruler of Europe. The name Wren translates to "ruler" by the way.

      Big A (maybe) looks younger than he is: Wren has a baby face. He could easily pass for at least 17 as well.

      CeCe: might the person behind Black Veil/ Red Coat. After all, we saw her in a red coat before. Black Veil is endgame, while the Charles/Big A story will be history after 6x10. That makes me sure Uber A/BW is another person, even though I believe she might have been undercover to help the girls. CeCe seems to really care for Ali, so I think she might be "helping" Charles to gather information that will ultimately bring him down. I also think after 6x10, there will still remain some questions and in the end of the series, BW will bring the final solution.

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    • @LolA126...I thought about why A wrote that Alison is his favorite. (referring to the gasmaks scence) As we can see, Mona is dressed like Ali, but not just like Ali. Bethany wore the same yellow top at the night of her death and Alisons disappearance. A (Wren) found out that Ali is the one to blame for Bethany's death. So he wants her to get punished and sends her to prison. But maybe that doesn't satisfy him. So he kidnaps Mona, gives her the look of Alison/Bethany to still seek revenge on the one hand, but also to keep the memory of Bethany alive. And because of the fact that A can't Bethany let go, he tries to save her and gives Mona the gasmask, so that she can protect herself for an upcoming dangerous event....But that's where I've got stuck. That doesn't make sense at all. Why does A want to be with Alison at the prom, and not with Bethany? He loves and hates Ali at the same time?

      In an interview Oliver Goldstick said:

      Seeing Mona return from her presumed death was quite a shock. What was her plan, and what's next for her?

      Mona basically had a very specific plan where she could outsmart A, unearth the identity and then expose it to the girls and return to Rosewood as a hero. That was her plan, but guess what? Mona is dealing with someone as smart, if not smarter, than her. I think it's important that you keep in mind that there are three brainiacs in Rosewood: Spencer (Troian Bellisario), Mona and Andrew Campbell (Brandon Jones), and that's a very important thing to keep in mind.

      Is Goldstick suggesting that Mona could have been outsmarted by Andrew or Spencer? Or is he just saying that at least one of them will come up with a good plan to escape the dollhouse?

      http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/pretty-little-liars-pll-finale-784336

      In another interview he mentioned the following:

      Another thing a lot of people are talking about is Charles’ resources. He managed to build this dollhouse. What can you say about his resources? I don’t know if he had a lot of time on his hands, if he had help…

      [Laughs] They feel infinite, don’t they? That’s where I go back to fiercely intelligent and devious, because the ability to amass this kind of—I don’t want to say “arsenal” because that’s a terrible word, but it is an arsenal in a sense because this person’s had a lot of time on their hands to figure out how to carry out such an intricate plot against all of these girls. I would say this person is very resourceful, but their intelligence is what is behind it. Their intelligence and their ability to harness what’s available to them through technology.

      Is he switching here from one person to more than one? Or can u use the word "their" for just one person?

      http://www.ew.com/article/2015/03/25/pretty-little-liars-oliver-goldstick-charles-season-5-finale

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    • Streifenzebra wrote:

      LolA126 wrote:

      @KoreRiba: Yes! Especially after I rewatched the s4 endings and spotted the piano you just mentioned. A's handwriting matches the one in the dollhouse.
      Piano wren
      The three skeletons are a really good catch!!!
      In the first picture u can see a bird cage. The name Wren is a bird name.

      In S3E1 Hanna was reading a magazin when she visited Mona in Radley and Hanna was a little bit upset ("Birds, birds, birds") that she cannot find a top without feathers on it. Maybe it´s just a coincidence :)

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    • Streifenzebra wrote:

      Why does A want to be with Alison at the prom, and not with Bethany? He loves and hates Ali at the same time?

      Honestly, I can’t think about a single character, except Alison, who would want to be at prom with Alison. XD

      No, seriously, I have no clue what that prom queen/king thing was about. Why would A want to have a prom? Even if he missed his own for some reason, didn’t he have anything better to do with the Liars than let them decorate the room all the time? Charles is said to be extremely smart and yet he fell for that lazy prom king trap. It seemed to me like it didn’t even came to his mind that they would want trick him. Like he thought this was actually a real prom and the Liars were happy to crown him king. :/ Nevermind, I don’t expect every scene to have some deep meaning. I can’t see the prom having any relevance to the ultimate story in s6. @Genevieve celeste: I don’t think the reference was coincidental. There are theories about the recurring bird clues on the show, and this scene is often a part of them.

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    • LolA126 wrote:

      Streifenzebra wrote:

      Why does A want to be with Alison at the prom, and not with Bethany? He loves and hates Ali at the same time?

      Honestly, I can’t think about a single character, except Alison, who would want to be at prom with Alison. XD

      No, seriously, I have no clue what that prom queen/king thing was about. Why would A want to have a prom? Even if he missed his own for some reason, didn’t he have anything better to do with the Liars than let them decorate the room all the time? Charles is said to be extremely smart and yet he fell for that lazy prom king trap. It seemed to me like it didn’t even came to his mind that they would want trick him. Like he thought this was actually a real prom and the Liars were happy to crown him king. :/ Nevermind, I don’t expect every scene to have some deep meaning. I can’t see the prom having any relevance to the ultimate story in s6.

      Marlene said that the prom is a clue. I was wondering if all the mannequins were just mannequins.

      http://primetime.unrealitytv.co.uk/marlene-king-confirms-10-episode-pretty-little-liars-season-6a-drops-finale-clue/
      

      And you're right, as if A wouldn't have noticed that Spencer planned to trick him/her. On the other hand A knew that they could never pass that fence. Maybe A was hungry and needed some grilled liars. ^^ As I said in another thread, it was Spencer who planned to trick A and it was also Spencer who stopped the girls from climbing over the fence. Not to mention that it was her who came up with the name Charles and who saw him in the vault room.

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      Streifenzebra wrote:

      Why does A want to be with Alison at the prom, and not with Bethany? He loves and hates Ali at the same time?

      Honestly, I can’t think about a single character, except Alison, who would want to be at prom with Alison. XD

      No, seriously, I have no clue what that prom queen/king thing was about. Why would A want to have a prom? Even if he missed his own for some reason, didn’t he have anything better to do with the Liars than let them decorate the room all the time? Charles is said to be extremely smart and yet he fell for that lazy prom king trap. It seemed to me like it didn’t even came to his mind that they would want trick him. Like he thought this was actually a real prom and the Liars were happy to crown him king. :/ Nevermind, I don’t expect every scene to have some deep meaning. I can’t see the prom having any relevance to the ultimate story in s6. @Genevieve celeste: I don’t think the reference was coincidental. There are theories about the recurring bird clues on the show, and this scene is often a part of them.

      Maybe we are looking too deep, we are always looking for a meaning. Honestly, I don´t understand this whole prom-story eather. On the one hand A is really smart but on the other hand he felt in a cheap trap. Maybe Charles knew that there is no escape from the dollhouse and he wanted to be descovered, that´s my only explanation.

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    • Streifenzebra wrote:

      Marlene said that the prom is a clue. I was wondering if all the mannequins were just mannequins.

      The big clue was the age. Charles recreated the prom from seven years ago, which confirmed he is the same age as Jason, Melissa, Ian, Wren and Ezra.

      Other things: A is revealed to be a guy at prom. A is offered to be crowned King, which could be a reference to the king "Charles the Great (Charlemagne)" or Wren’s surname "KINGston". This picture is most certainly irrelevant, but funny:
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    • i have no idea who A could be.. but could Sean Ackard have any involvement in this? `he's been with Hanna and tried to get with Aria. Maybe he and Andrew are twins? He was also prom king?

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    • Don't think Sean has something to do with it. Wasn't he just present in season 1? And he's too young! They restaged the prom of 2004.

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    • Streifenzebra wrote:

      this person’s had a lot of time on their hands to figure out how to carry out such an intricate plot against all of these girls. I would say this person is very resourceful, but their intelligence is what is behind it. Their intelligence and their ability to harness what’s available to them through technology.

      Is he switching here from one person to more than one? Or can u use the word "their" for just one person?

      http://www.ew.com/article/2015/03/25/pretty-little-liars-oliver-goldstick-charles-season-5-finale

      Their can be used when you can't/won't say gender - as in her/his. It seems to me like he's trying very hard not to confirm Charles is male. "This person", "their hands", "their intelligence". Is he just keeping it ambiguous so we can theorise it could be a girl? Or is it really not a male?

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    • There's a teddy bear in A's lair, just like the one that someone left Hanna when she was in the hospital, season 1!

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    • Maybe something happened at the prom in 2004 that we haven't found out yet.

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    • Something I noticed from the Prom scene was that when Spencer and the girls were calling him up to be crowned King, he acted as if he felt included. Like "Really? Me? You want me to come up there?" That's just the vibe I got from his body language when he was walking towards them. 

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    • I think the girl is Bethany and the boy is Wren. The mother is Marion Cavannagh not sure who the father is.

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    • TwoCanKeepASecret wrote:

      Streifenzebra wrote:

      this person’s had a lot of time on their hands to figure out how to carry out such an intricate plot against all of these girls. I would say this person is very resourceful, but their intelligence is what is behind it. Their intelligence and their ability to harness what’s available to them through technology.

      Is he switching here from one person to more than one? Or can u use the word "their" for just one person?

      http://www.ew.com/article/2015/03/25/pretty-little-liars-oliver-goldstick-charles-season-5-finale

      Their can be used when you can't/won't say gender - as in her/his. It seems to me like he's trying very hard not to confirm Charles is male. "This person", "their hands", "their intelligence". Is he just keeping it ambiguous so we can theorise it could be a girl? Or is it really not a male?

      Thank you very much for the explanation :D

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    • Criminology wrote: There's a teddy bear in A's lair, just like the one that someone left Hanna when she was in the hospital, season 1!

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      It was Noel who brought Hanna a get well soon gift basket with a teddy bear in it. I rewatched 1x11 just yesterday.

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    • EzraisA wrote: Maybe something happened at the prom in 2004 that we haven't found out yet.

      Yeah maybe, I think they chose the song "Unwritten" because there's a story that haven't been told yet.

      Like in the lyrics:

      I am unwritten Can't read my mind I'm undefined I'm just beginning ...

      I know the song has a much more positive meaning. But a twisted mind can also find a dark side in it. :p

      Or maybe they just wanna tell us that they still have to come up with a story to make sense out of all that has happened the last 5 seasons. XD

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    • Ezras plane and Wrens OCD
      The song "Unwritten" reminded me of Ezra and his unfinished book. I don't like the thought of him torturing five little girls to write a perfect book, but remember that Paul Varjak was also a writer who didn't have a inspiration for next book and there were plenty of references to Breakfast at Tiffany's hints recently. Plus, the plane in Charles vault could be a hint to Ezra's poster of a plane in his apartment.

      The well organized bookshelf in the background reminded me of Wren's compulsive obsessive disorder. Not the strongest clue, I admit, but worth mentioning since A himself showed plenty of OCD signs in the past.

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    • So Ezra could be Varjak and Wren A? And their connection could be their crushes on Ali? Possible ...But as u said, that would not be enough reason for Ezra to torture the girls. Just because he did get rejected by Ali wouldn't justify his actions towards the girls. I could understand Wren's reason for torturing the girls. Maybe they are more involved in Bethany's death than we think they are. Nothing of all the possible theories that are out there would make me feel sorry for A. There would be a lot of mental illness going on if the theory about the Marion, Bethany and Wren being a family is right. Not only that Wren's maybe mother and his maybe sister Bethany stayed in Radley, even his father was mentally disturbed. o_O

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    • DECCA british record label
      The amazing youtuber G_xoxo made a Charles/Wren theory and found a clue for the record "Walkin' after Midnight", which was playing in Charles vault. All credits go to her. The playing record in the vault is the same as in 4x03 and the name of the record in that scene is "Decca". Decca Records began as a BRITISH record label etablished in 1929. Now, the label Decca records also made a record for Patsy Clines "Walkin' after Midnight". This could be another hint to Wren being Charles.

      If you're interested in her full theory you can check it out here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8fqPK3Y3ic It's really good.

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    • Campbell
      Lighter

      A connection?

      @LolA126 Thnx for the link :)

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    • The two symbols resemble each other a bit. Was it ever made clear what this lighter was about? The symbol in the first picture could also represent the tips of a crown. And in the center I see two birds looking at each other, surrounded by six apples. Oh boy, there are birds everywhere I look. XD

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    • @LolA126 Hahahaha ^^. But this time it's not a wren but two peacocks.

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    • I just read that the peacock symbolizes immortality, love, loyalty.... The peacock was also shown on the flag of Britisch Burma.

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      A little bit far-fetched, but one never knows. ^^

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    • I checked wheather the US is in a north-western direction from England. It's not. -_-

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    • Uuuuh, i found something interesting...Maybe our Charles is a transgender after all. There was a movie with the title "Peacock"...It's about a boy/man who has an multiple personality disorder. He creates an alter ego who is a woman.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peacock_(2010_film)

      I remember that movie. :)

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    • I don't know that movie, but the story awfully reminds me of... the twin storyline from the books. :( The split personality thing... like the character is actually two persons at the same time. In the books Courtney stole her sisters life and was posing as Ali. She adopted Ali's whole (bitchy) personality, so no one would grow suspicious about her change of character. But while pretending to be Ali she was, of course, still actually Courtney (who originally had a good personality). So she was like two people at the same time.

      The sentence: "Forced to fool the town into believing he and his alter ego are man and wife, John and Emma must maintain their secret while in public view" reminds me of Courtney fooling everyone in the town, including her whole family, into believing she was her twin sister Alison. Meanwhile she had to prevent the real Ali from exposing her secret to her friends and family.

      "...battle between the personalities where Emma begins to take over John's life completely." Both, Courtney and her sister battled over the perfect life of Alison DiLaurentis. While Courtney seemed actually nice at the start, her struggle to keep everyone convinced that she was Alison, changed her character drastically during the plot. She became more and more paranoid and deranged, because of her fear of being exposed by her sister and ended up just as vicous and crazy like the real Alison. Before she is killed by her sister, she planned to hypnotise her friends in Spencers barn, so they would always recognize her as Alison DiLaurentis and will forever follow her as their leader. So in some way, Alison's personality did take over Courtney completely. She literally thought herself of being a "better" Alison.

      If Jason and Charles would indeed be identical twins, I could see that story working. Charles took over Jasons life and personality, without anyone noticing. However, I don't believe they'll follow the books completely or that they make it so simple for us and go with the twin route at all. I don't believe there will be twins or trangsgender twins or any other kind of doppelganger - and if there are twins, then they are probably rather irrelevant and somehow tie in the backstory of A (like his mom and Mrs. D. being twin sisters for example). When Marlene said we would see double of someone in 5x25, I think she actually meant Alison and Mona. Mona, dressed identical as Ali the night she disappeared, having blonde hair and wearing a mask of her face = Double. The boys in the video didn't looked identical and I see NO reason why they wouldn't have used identical twins, if they would really want to go the twin route. I don't believe Charles is a twin, or that any other main character will have a twin. But I can see the split personality thing happen in some way. If Charles is someone we already know, then he is wearing two personalitys at the same time. On one hand, he is this innocent, nice and helpful person that we have watched on screen since s3 (or even before that), and on the other hand he is this psychotic and vicious person we know as A.

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    • Question: Is there a scene in which Wren and CeCe are both in?

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    • I don't remember. He talked about her with Spencer in 3x23, when she confronted him why he allowed CeCe to visit Mona. And when Hanna asked him if he knew CeCe went to see Mona at Radley in 4x10.

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    • Plot Twist: Wren's accent has been fake the whole time lol

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    • These theories are so juicy!

      The picture of the handprints, appears to have a figure pointing towards a red hand on the right- red handed?

      Charles, In English monarchy history, represents Kings who have came to a tragic end. There is also a short story called Charles Writtens in the 1940s which is about a young child with a dual personality.

      the thing the jigsaw piece is important in terms of who Charles is as a person. Does he feel like he is the missing piece or does he have a piece missing?

      The bird and the bird cage. the imagery represents someone innocent and wanting to get out being trapped and forced into an identity, place or lie? Even the girls in the dolls house.

      I think the mannequins are important for Charles and not as much Aria, (unless they are some how related?) like that could be seen as Arias family but PLL want us to see it twice to make sure we see it. I thimk Charles has a younger sister and brother, and that Jason isn't his twin.

      I wanted to throw this out there, but I don't think Hanna is Ashley's daughter biologically and havent for a while. I think there is much more to Hanna which we are yet to know.

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      We know also that Mrs. D had an affair with Bethany's father. I honestly have no clue who he could be. Also, if what I said is true, then it means Toby is related to Charles and Bethany. I don't think that is a far-fetched idea either. Reason being, A/Charles gave Toby information about what happened to his mom, Marion. Isn't that the first time A actually kind of helped somebody? Who better to help than your younger brother.

      The only problem with this theory is that Charles' surname is DiLaurentis. So did Marion have a baby with Kenneth? It is possible but that would mean that Marion had Bethany with Bethany's father, Mrs D had an affair with Bethany's father and Marion had an affair with Kenneth who's married to Mrs D.

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    • Criminology wrote:
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      I don't think the baby is Ali either. If Jason is seven years older than Ali (and we're assuming that Jason is one of those boys) then it can't be her. Those boys are about 3, so that would make them 3 years older than the baby girl Mrs. D is holding. The age differences don't match. I don't think Jason and Charles are twins either. I think Marion Cavanaugh plays a very important role in all of this. Maybe Mrs. D and Marion are twins. They look a lot alike. I'm thinking that maybe Charles is Marion's son, explaining why we saw "C. Cavanaugh" in that sign-in sheet. This would mean that Mrs. D is Charles' aunt. I'm also thinking that Bethany is Marion's daughter as well. We do know that Bethany called Mrs. D Aunt Jessie. So I think that the girl Mrs. D is holding is Bethany. Maybe.
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      The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to agree with you and KatyBookworm... Mrs. D never said that the baby was her daughter. Even the way she interacted with the boys seemed slightly distant... perhaps she is their aunt, not their mother. If Marion is Mrs. D's sister, that would make sense. And if Bethany is Marion's daughter, no wonder Mrs. D wanted Bethany to call her "Aunt Jessie" - although this would raise questions about Marion's time in Radley. She would have been there at the same time as Bethany, but back then they didn't seem to have any sort of familial relationship... What if there was some sort of incident when Bethany was a baby that ended in Mrs. D becoming her guardian, instead of Marion? If, for whatever reason, there was a fight over Bethany, a lot of things (like Marion's murder and Bethany's hatred of Mrs. D after finding out something) would be explained.

      The question then is: Who is Bethany's father? And how does Ali fit into this?

      Maybe Ali is the reason Marion got locked up? Like maybe Marion was looking after her niece (Ali) and something really bad happened that caused her to be sent to Radley. That might explain why Charles hates Ali so much if she got his mother locked up.

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    • There is the possibility that the girl in the photo is actually Charles.
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    • Criminology wrote:
      Geafbjkw
      Right now, Wren is not at the top of my suspect list, but he is suspicious. I'm guessing he knows more than he's told the girls.




      On a semi-related note, is there ANY possibility these two could be related?? This casting can't be a coincidence. 

      I do not think there are any coincidences on this show! There has to be something there. Also is there any chance that the picture Bethany drew of the woman with horns is Marion and not Jessica [they do look a lot alike]!?

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    • Streifenzebra wrote:
      @Criminology

      Assuming you're right, wouldn't be Spencer his favorite and not Alison (referring to the gasmask)? He had a big crush on her. And wouldn't Wren hate Ali because of the whole Bethany thing? Btw both of the boys have blue eyes. Wren's eye color is brown. Just bad casting?

      Could be his favorite to torture. If he was planning to gas the rest and kill them he could be saving her to be able to mess with her longer.....

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    • @SierraMc: It wouldn't surprise me if Wrens whole british doctor story is a total fake to throw the Liars off his track. In order for the Carles theory to make sense it actually has to be fake. Julian Morris spoke with american accents in some movies, so it wouldn't be a problem for him to change tha accent. And let's be honsest, as a doctor he is completely uncompetent.

      @MEGANjenneane: That's a great thought! I totally agree that the woman in Bethany's pictures could pass as Marion as well! Maybe thats why Bethany may have pushed her off the roof? I'm convinced if there are twins, it's either Jessica and Marion or Hanna and Ali. Remember, Tammin Sursok teased someone would have a twin SISTER, not a twin brother.

      All in all, Marlene didn't want to confirm that Charles is actually a DiLaurentis. Surely the anagramm said that, BUT it was most probably planted by A, since Mona didn't seemed to know about Charles. Maybe you have to read it as two independent names: Charles and DiLaurentis, which could mean Charles is somehow connected to this family, but not actually a DiLaurentis. Another possibly could be that Jessica was indeed Charles mother, but his father wasn't Mr. Hastings, but Scott Montgomery. It's no secret that nothing really bad happens to Aria and after all she was the one who had that family picture of the mannquins in her room. Maybe it's because Charles/Wren is her cousin? They certainly look enough alike. There was a deleted scene in s3, where Aria tells Byron, that Wren drove her home from the library and he gets this really weird look, as if he'd known him personally. Bryon's brother was mentally ill and so was Wren's dad. I doubt that is a coincidence. Charles/Wren could have done something to Ali, when she was three (breaking her arm?) and was sent away to live with his dad, Scott. Scott may have gotten married to Marion later, who was Mrs. D.s (twin?) sister and they had Bethany together, making her a half-sister to Wren and a niece to Mrs. D. Then Scott went crazy (when Wren was 10, like he said) and was sent to an asylum. Bethany inherited Scotts shizophrenia and was sent to Radley at a young age as well. Marion then married Mr. Cavanough and had Toby, but became mentally unstable due to her grief about losing her first husband and her daughter Bethany. When she was sent to Radley she may have tried to reconcile with Bethany, but she despised her for giving her away.

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    • @LolA126

      A nice background story, although a bit too much drama for me. If this should be true, I would be like: Yeah right, as if. -_-

      I would seriously question the reliability of the show.

      Oliver Goldstick said in an interview, everyone who didn't leave Rosewood after all the things that had happend to the girls has to be demented. So your theory is a possibility.

      http://www.ew.com/article/2015/03/25/pretty-little-liars-oliver-goldstick-charles-season-5-finale

      The scene in which wee see Andrew intercepting the telephone call between the Hastings and Melissa made me think, that he maybe doesn't work for A but against him/her. Maybe Andrew already knows that Melissa or one of the boys is working for A.

      Also, maybe Charles isn't A at all, but he is the WHY A is, who he/she is. Keegan Allen mentioned it's not interesting who A is, but why A did it.

      http://www.bustle.com/articles/64769-keegan-allen-says-the-a-reveal-on-pll-will-be-

      Even though Wren is my prime suspect to be A, because there are a looooooooot of clues that point into his direction, I still think that we will see a female face hidden behind that mask. ^^ *Badazz women forever* :P

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    • But Marlene promised us a 100% gender reveal in the finale and officially confirmed that A is definitely Charles.

      Seriously, If A ends up being a girl after all and they say: "Oh, hey we fooled you again. Nevermind.", then I'm done. Then they just messed with us AGAIN, and we literally found out nothing about A in the finale. Then all this theories about Charles have been a complete waste of my time. Originally, I thought A was a girl and it was going to be Aria, because the evidence was pretty incriminating. But since I love the friendship of the Liars, I'm glad this didn't come true. They teased the finale as the biggest A reveal ever and this reveal was basically that A is a 24-year old guy named Charles, who is somehow connected to Jessica DiLaurentis. They can't just take it all back and say that was just a helper. If they want to make A a girl again, aka BW/Red Coat, they should have just revealed in the s5 finale that A is 1000% and without any doubt female. They should have shown her as prom queen in a gorgeous red dress (wearing an Ali mask, or something) without giving away her identity, but they SHOULD have shown her as a fricking girl.

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    • LolA126 wrote: But Marlene promised us a 100% gender reveal in the finale and officially confirmed that A is definitely Charles.

      Seriously, If A ends up being a girl after all and they say: "Oh, hey we fooled you again. Nevermind.", then I'm done. Then they just messed with us AGAIN, and we literally found out nothing about A in the finale. Then all this theories about Charles have been a complete waste of my time. Originally, I thought A was a girl and it was going to be Aria, because the evidence was pretty incriminating. But since I love the friendship of the Liars, I'm glad this didn't come true. They teased the finale as the biggest A reveal ever and this reveal was basically that A is a 24-year old guy named Charles, who is somehow connected to Jessica DiLaurentis. They can't just take it all back and say that was just a helper. If they want to make A a girl again, aka BW/Red Coat, they should have just revealed in the s5 finale that A is 1000% and without any doubt female. They should have shown her as prom queen in a gorgeous red dress (wearing an Ali mask, or something) without giving away her identity, but they SHOULD have shown her as a fricking girl.

      Hahahaha, that's cute in a weird way. XD Marlene maybe didn't lie, because Charles was a boy back than, but maybe now he is a woman. ^^

      Oliver Goldstick said the following:

      I’m curious about Charles’ personality. Give me three words to describe him. 

      First of all, don’t settle that it’s definitely the name Charles, because an anagram is an anagram. We definitely have gotten a big clue here. But just know that this person is fiercely intelligent. I would say “devious,” and the word “wrathful.” That’s an SAT word for you. I didn’t say “vituperative,” I said “wrathful.” I could have said “vituperative,” but I’m not going to do that.

      http://www.ew.com/article/2015/03/25/pretty-little-liars-oliver-goldstick-charles-season-5-finale

      Maybe he is just trying to say that Charles has a different male name now. But he could also imply that Charles is known under a female name. :D

      I don't wanna tease u. Promise. XD

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    • I don’t know. This is all becoming confusing. I don't want any mysteries anymore. I don't even care about the whole story why Charles became A.They should just finally answer all questions we have since s1(!) until 6x10 and then finish the story about A already. We still don’t know who killed Ian. What did Maya knew? Why was Garrett killed? What had the N.A.T. club to do with A? Who did Ian filmed the N.A.T videos for? Who killed Marion and Jessica? Is Melissa working for A? How can A be at any place at any time? Where does A get the drugs and medical records from? Is there still an A-team after all? Why was Wilden killed? Who was the Beach Hottie? Who hit Bethany and why? What happened to Eddie Lamb? Who is in the damn barrel? Why is Emily hurt the most by A? Why is Aria never really hurt by A?

      There are still sooo many unanswered questions and the A-storyline was dragged out way to much. I hope (and I am almost certain that will be the case) Charles will die in the midseason finale. Marlene confirmed that Charles will be history after 6x10 and A’s death is the only way we will have 100% closure that A will never, ever return again. :) I'd love to see the Liars life without A and after college. :D

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    • @LolA126

      I hope they will answer all of your questions. But after the who-is-Big A-reveal we still have 1 1/2 seasons ahead of us. I don't believe that it will be the end of A. I think after we will have seen the girls graduating from high school and college, there will be an Uber A. And I guess it will be one of the girls who's gone mental after all that happened. My bet is on Emily. She's the last one we would expecting to be Uber A. ^^

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    • Here is my theory who Big A is. It's Sean! ^^ First he got indirectly rejected by Hanna, because she never had time for him. That's why he broke up with her. Then he lost Paige to Emily. And one of his best friends, Noel, was rejected by Aria. That's why he hates these girls.

      And if u wanna ask me now why he would hate Spencer and Alison, here comes the answer! *drumrol*

      Spencer is just Spencer. That's enough reason for him. And what concerns Alison, he had a crush on her we don't know about. And all that will be revealed in 6A. XD

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    • Wahaha! I already feel sorry for Sean. XD Emily being Uber A would be heartbreaking, but really exciting! I can see it happen that one of the girl goes crazy after the Charles trauma. I think Aria is already mental in some way, so it wouldn't surprise me if it's her, but sweet Em would be a huge shocker! However, I feel if they really do three A's like in the books, the last A will be Red Coat/BW, who may be (hope not) someones twin. Or they'll go completely like the books and make the last A Charles secret girlfriend (like Jenna, Melissa or CeCe), seeking revenge for his downfall, but that would be less exciting.

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    • An even bigger shocker than Em just being Uber A would be if she would kill one of the liars, but would never get caught and no one, except for the audience, would ever find out who Uber A really was. And the closing scene would be that the girls, after they joined the funeral of the dead liar, are walking in different directions and never ever see each other again. ^^ The audience would be so devastated. ^^

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    • NOOOOO! I want a happy ending. :)

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    • Never gonna happen. -_-

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    • I read that the officers escorting the girls in the police van in 5x25 were injected with flunitrazepam, the date rape drug, and were left with no memory of the accident. Just another of uncountable clues pointing to Dr. Kingston. Let's not forget, that Mona was drugged as well when Charles kidnapped her. I have seriously no idea how they want to explain A's access to all the medical stuff and drugs if Wren is not A. :/

      I dont believe Maya has a twin. She's been gone for too long now and she didn't have a relevance to the A-storyline. But I think she might have discovered evidence of Charles existence in the DiLaurentis house shortly before her death. Hence "Maya knew".

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    • @LolA126 How do you explain that Keegan Allen said that everybody knows who A is. We are all still guessing. And as far as I can say, noone has found an irrevocable evidence yet. I think everyone is A. There are so many red herrings. They could choose which character they want to make us believe that this choosen person is A, in case the actor who is supossed to play A accidentaly dies. Yes, everyone knows that Mona was A. But didn't Ali get A-messages long before Bethany's dead? Why would Wren have send Ali these texts, if Bethany was still alive back then. Doesn't your theory includes that he seeks revenge for her death. Waiting eagerly for ur answer. ^^

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    • Streifenzebra wrote:
      @LolA126 How do you explain that Keegan Allen said that everybody knows who A is. We are all still guessing. And as far as I can say, noone has found an irrevocable evidence yet. I think everyone is A. There are so many red herrings. They could choose which character they want to make us believe that this choosen person is A, in case the actor who is supossed to play A accidentaly dies. Yes, everyone knows that Mona was A. But didn't Ali get A-messages long before Bethany's dead? Why would Wren have send Ali these texts, if Bethany was still alive back then. Doesn't your theory includes that he seeks revenge for her death. Waiting eagerly for ur answer. ^^

      The more we think the more confused we are, so Keegan Allen, we still don´t know who A is, I´m sorry :D

      We know that some messages were from Melissa. Maybe all of them? I´m confused...

      In the halloween szene Ali hired Noel to scare the liars, so Ali thought it was just a game, but somebody intented to hurt Ali in the creepy house... Do we know who intented to hurt Ali? It was long before Bethany was killed.

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    • Mona send these messages to Alison before she disappeared. Mona was original A, Charles didn't write messages to the girls before the start of s3. Yes, Mona didn't attempt to kill Ali for real (despite her threats, she just wanted to scare her), but someone else hit her with the rock that night. However, that person was not A at this point. Malene said they decided who the second A would be at the start of season 3, if not before. The red herrings are persons who will certainly end up NOT being A (meaning Jenna, Noel, Lucas, Toby, CeCe, Ezra, Mr. Hastings, Alison, Andrew and everyone who was suspected and is dead). I'm 100% sure, A will be a person, the Liars haven't suspected.

      Keegan said in real life everyone would know who A is. He also said we could literally go back to season 1 and knowing who it is, we would be like, 'Oh, wow. Whoa. This has been here all along, and I never noticed it. " Alright. I have two thoughts on that: 1) Charles is Wren and no twin. 2) Charles is Jason's identical twin.

      1. Wren: We could literally go back to the first episode, because Wren was in it. He is also a doctor and despite A having unlimited access to medical stuff, none of the Liars ever suspected him of being A. Let's be honest, that wouldnt have happened in real life. Everyone knows who it is: I don't think there is anyone in the audience who hasn't suspected him being A at least ONCE. There are over 40(!!) clues pointing towards him (http://prettylittleliars.alloyentertainment.com/reasons-why-wren-is-a-on-pll-10314/#4), s5 excluded since hasn't aired before the article. The only person I have seen with more clues than Wren is Aria. Just watch the A endings of s3 and s4. There are obvious clues for Wren in almost every single one of them.

      2. Jason: He has been there from the start and always acted suspicious and for all we know Charles could be his twin brother. Everyone knows who it is because everyone knows about Courtney and Alison. The twin theory is very popular and let's be honest, there were many clues pointing towards Jason having a twin.

      1) In 1x08 Jenna asks Spencer: “Does Jason look the same? I got the impression he was different – he sounds different”. Very obvious in my opinion.

      2) 2x06 Ali's mom says: "Jason came into family money and it's his choice what to do with it. He definitely marches to his own drummer. Both of my kids do ... did." Two kids? Mrs. D. was dead sure about Ali being six feets under ground, so she might have meant Jasons brother Charles instead.

      3) Oh and she covered Alis death up. Who would she cover for, if not a family member? (Could work for Bethany and Wren as well, if she's their aunt) Also in 4x24, Ian threatens Ali that the N.A.T videos could bring her whole family down, if she'd expose them. Yeah, maybe Charles were on these vids. Maybe that's also the reason he killed the N.A.T Club members off, except of Jason. Maybe Ian even filmed the tapes for Charles. In 5x25, Charles seems very N.A.T filming the girls with cameras in the dollhouse... spying on them as A.

      4) The picture of a cow jumping over the letter "C" in Ali's house in the 5x13. Yes, "C" could have meant Courtney, but Ali never seemed aware of a twin in her family so it definitely couln't have been her own twin. But maybe a twin much older than her, who was sent away when she was too young to remember.

      5) The most obvious clue of all time: The goodnight moon song in 5x23. A knows which song Jessica used to sing Ali as a lullaby and taunts her with it. Hello, major sibling alert!

      6) Since I read the books, I could have seen it coming: They switched the roles of Jason and Ali being Spencers half-sibling. The second A (Alison) is revealed to be Spencer's half-sister in the books, so it wasn't very unlikely that Marlene would make A Spencers half-brother instead. Mr. Hastings and Jessica were on the board of Radley together for unknown reasons and covered up the death of Toby's mom. WHY would Spencer's dad be on board of Radley, if not because his other son was in there? Spencer's mom also divorced her dad when she found out about the twins in the books. Recently Mrs. Hastings divorced Mr. Hastings for reasons we don't know yet, so maybe she found out about the twins too.

      Most importantly, while Wren became shady during the course of the series, Jason (or Charles) has been shady since day one. He didn't even attended Ali's funeral and it was made pretty clear that they didn't have the best sibling relationship. Of course, Charles being Jason's twin would still not explain A's access to medical stuff, so I'm still leaning more towards the Wren theory.

      @Genevieve celeste: Charles (if Jasons twin) could have intended to kill Ali in the first secret, because he wanted revenge for being locked up in Radley. Or it could have been Bethany Young, who was still alive and also in Radley at this point. After Ali and the Liars enter that creepy abadoned house a car from Radley stops by and someone gets out. Bethany seemed to know and despise Alison, according to the tapes at her therapy sessions. She said: "It's me or her. She's not the only one who can make plans!" Maybe Bethany was the one, who planned to kill Alison at Halloween.

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    • i saw this in the room of spencer and aria in the finaly. wird same picture?

      1e33
      Kkkk
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    • Rr
      what does that number mean?
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    • Not sure if this has been mentioned or pointed out, but the picture Wren was drawing was of a girl in a red coat AT A FARM, WITH HORSES. Campbell Farm? Bethany liked horses. Maybe there's some connection there. 
      MfsyFEO

      Farm and horses. Even happy kids.

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    • @Nelienna

      I wondered about that too. So here's what I've found:

      JN stands for Jet Navigation. 49162-B? No latitude and longitude coordinates here. This made me wonder if 49162-B could be an address. Enter 49162-B into Google Maps. Location result: Jallais. “Jallais is a commune in the Maine-et-Loire department in western France.” Cece boarded a flight to Paris, France. Her destination. Charles De Gaulle Airport France. Jallais is a 3 hour and 34 minute drive from the Charles De Gaulle Airport… or a 1 hour and 5 minute plane ride.

      http://b26-loveyoubabe.tumblr.com/post/114087414037/jn-49162-b-jn-stands-for-jet-navigation-49162-b

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    • I also found that on the internet:

      The number three. lets start from the beginning. the voice in the dollhouse was speaking THREE languages, English, German and Spanish. in a fame in the play room, there was THREE skeletons [ RED, GREEN and BLUE ( keep those THREE colors in mind)]. Why did Mona only have THREE election boxes, since she was in charge of the election committee? Everyday, the power shut off for exactly THREE minutes, and there was THREE different directions that could lead to the way out. Remember when Aria’s shirt said tres, a few episodes back? hmm

      Speaking of three, in the doll house, we heard 4 chimes for game time, 2 chimes to check the mailbox and 1 chime for yes? we never heard three chimes. But, remember when Toby, Caleb, Ezra, veronica, and peter were together and Ezra’s phone buzzed THREE times? maybe that was our three chimes? and who did he receive that message from?  

      When Spencer was figuring out what the blocks spelled, there was a poster that said: ‘love thy Neighbor’. Her neighbor is Alison and her half brother Jason. does that mean something? Is Charles related to Spencer? And where did the L come from?

      In A’s safe behind the four mannequins, there was a picture of 5 RED hands, 5 BLUE hands and 3 GREEN hands.All of the hands seemed the same size so i don’t think there was any age difference,  In the projection, Mrs. D was wearing a RED sweater, one boy was wearing a BLUE sweater and the other was wearing a GREEN sweater. the same colors from the skeletons the the playroom!!!

      http://awkwardcrazyfreak.tumblr.com/

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    • Surely, a lot of you guys remember the episode "Unmasked". MK said that Aria's dress was kind of perfect for the finale. It resembles the Black Swan poster. Also she was the one who got unmasked by Ezra. That is why many PLL fans believe that Aria is A. Perhaps it isn't about the person who got unmasked that night, but rather about the one who unmasked her.

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    • Jej
       I saw this, and some think it makes charles ezra. but have anybody heard it in an episode? 
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    • Nelienna wrote:

      Jej
       I saw this, and some think it makes charles ezra. but have anybody heard it in an episode? 

      Don't know yet. The inscription on Ali's grave is from Judah Halevi whos mentor was Moses Ibn Ezra .

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judah_Halevi

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    • I think its Ezra or Wren.

      All the Wren clues makes sense.

      Heres a few more Ezra clues.

      1. Remember the train set in the Dollhouse. Do you remember Ezra and his son Malcom with a similar train set?

      2. There was the promo image. 'I am A' and on the other side of the A block, had the number 8. (Is Malcom 8). There are a lot of kid objects, crib, etc which Ezra could have from when he had Malcom.

      3. See the 'Love Thy Neighbor' sign. Allthough this points to Wren it could also point to Ezra. If you google it, its a tv show based at a 'Diner' . Ezra is the new boss at the Diner.

      Could Ezra/Wren be twins? I know we see Ezra's family but they were very rich so could have adopted him. 

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    • If it really is a barometer we see than it can be used as a pressure altimeter for airplanes. As we all know barometers are used in meteorology. One pioneering meteorologist was Admiral Robert FitzRoy. His fathers name was Charles Fitzroy. Charles was also the name of Robert Fitzroys halfbrother and Robert was the fourth great-grandson of Charles II of England.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_FitzRoy

      Barometer
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    • LolA126 wrote:
      @Streifenzebra: Your're right! I didn't even notice this. The bird "Wren" was also shown in A's lair.
      Wren bird
      Someone on reddit made some great connections with the whole Charles thing:
      Charles analysis

      "The great Charlemagne" was the name of the mysterious Mime in Ravenswood (4x12), who Marlene confirmed to be a big clue to Charles.

      There is a rumour though that said that Marlene said this on facebook and snapchat: : "Marlene king said that aria is the only liar who knows a" so if this is true than it cant be wren. And Keegan said if you look in season 1 youll find A. Which means it could be Wren. Or my another idea, Ezra.....

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    • In "Crash and Burn Girl," Season 4... Nigel Wright (pilot guy from the lodge) is talking to some girl about the flight to the lodge and Caleb and Toby looking into it. He says something like "Lady Earl Grey, right babe?" That's a kind of tea.

      Tea in the doll house. Tea to the mysterious lady. Brits stereotypically like tea. Another Wren connection?

      People earlier mentioned a bunch of flight/plane stuff in Charle's lair and that Duncan guy... but what if the Nigel Wright connection has more to do with it? Nigel is also a common British name.

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      How can they explain this?it must be Jason body..
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    • I thought that was Toby's tattoo

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    • That's definitely Toby's tattoo, unless someone else has the same one? What episodes are those two screenshots from?

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    • Charlescavanaugh wrote: That's definitely Toby's tattoo, unless someone else has the same one? What episodes are those two screenshots from?

      You can tattoo a dead body! It could be anyone.

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    • It was from the time A was trying to make Spencer think Toby was dead, but I don't remember the episode that well. Who was the dead body? And where was he when they thought he was dead?

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    • LolA126 wrote:
      @SierraMc: It wouldn't surprise me if Wrens whole british doctor story is a total fake to throw the Liars off his track. In order for the Carles theory to make sense it actually has to be fake. Julian Morris spoke with american accents in some movies, so it wouldn't be a problem for him to change tha accent. And let's be honsest, as a doctor he is completely uncompetent.

      @MEGANjenneane: That's a great thought! I totally agree that the woman in Bethany's pictures could pass as Marion as well! Maybe thats why Bethany may have pushed her off the roof? I'm convinced if there are twins, it's either Jessica and Marion or Hanna and Ali. Remember, Tammin Sursok teased someone would have a twin SISTER, not a twin brother.

      All in all, Marlene didn't want to confirm that Charles is actually a DiLaurentis. Surely the anagramm said that, BUT it was most probably planted by A, since Mona didn't seemed to know about Charles. Maybe you have to read it as two independent names: Charles and DiLaurentis, which could mean Charles is somehow connected to this family, but not actually a DiLaurentis. Another possibly could be that Jessica was indeed Charles mother, but his father wasn't Mr. Hastings, but Scott Montgomery. It's no secret that nothing really bad happens to Aria and after all she was the one who had that family picture of the mannquins in her room. Maybe it's because Charles/Wren is her cousin? They certainly look enough alike. There was a deleted scene in s3, where Aria tells Byron, that Wren drove her home from the library and he gets this really weird look, as if he'd known him personally. Bryon's brother was mentally ill and so was Wren's dad. I doubt that is a coincidence. Charles/Wren could have done something to Ali, when she was three (breaking her arm?) and was sent away to live with his dad, Scott. Scott may have gotten married to Marion later, who was Mrs. D.s (twin?) sister and they had Bethany together, making her a half-sister to Wren and a niece to Mrs. D. Then Scott went crazy (when Wren was 10, like he said) and was sent to an asylum. Bethany inherited Scotts shizophrenia and was sent to Radley at a young age as well. Marion then married Mr. Cavanough and had Toby, but became mentally unstable due to her grief about losing her first husband and her daughter Bethany. When she was sent to Radley she may have tried to reconcile with Bethany, but she despised her for giving her away.

      Aria mumbles "a friend drove me home."

      It really does sound like Wren though!

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    • Lidhar wrote:
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      How can they explain this?it must be Jason body..

      So you are suggsting the body in the morgue was Jason and the Jason we've been seeing ever since is his twin brother who took his place?

      In a way it's cool, but I don't think that's it. I don't think Jason has an identical twin. Charles might not even be his twin. Could be a brother, or cousin, or not related. It just depends what the backstory is.

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    • s03ep 13 we see Aria stabs a man (who try to push her off the train)with a screwdriver

      (i have a crazy theory about that scene,we hear two people arguing but i believe its one.. typical split personality dialogue...lol(i hope you understand what i try to say because my english sucks))

      s03ep14 we see Mona cleaning a bloody puncture wound in Jason's side
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      and then we see the body in the woods
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      PLLfan i dont know what to believe anymore lol  

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    • I understand what you're saying. Your English is good!

      I've had many split personality theories (about Mona, about Ali..) but in this case it seemed like two distinct people. I think they were trying to push Aria over because they had bad information. That they were disposing of Garrett's body, and they didn't know Aria was in there. I guess they couldn't hear her screaming?

      There are so many loose ends, it's not even funny.

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    • ok then why we dont hear a reaction from her after Aria stabs her partner..she heard him screaming and no reaction? ..i expected a scream  from her or to ask what happend to him..something anyway(imagine you in her place)...and after we hear one people steps living.

      i believe that he heard Aria i dont think Aria heard him because the dialogue was in his mind lol..but anyway this is my opinion and i m not saying that this person is 100% Jason

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    • In season 4 me saw Marions last conversation in the medical examination and I always thoght that she was talking about her son, Toby but actually she never said Toby´s name. I don´t think she was talking about Toby! Maybe she was talking about Charles, her other son?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUFBIz2aZeg

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    • one more think and i stop lol,Many of you say that the boys are not identical..if this was done then we would know that Jason is Charles ..Game over..very easy..they are not stupid(2 more seasons)

      But now ?we see two children who look like a lot..is how you see things...for me the only difference is the hair and the height(in real life the two children are twins)...i cant see coincidence for the long hair and the pink shoestrings ..they point out something,..split personality(boy and girl)

      maybe i m totally off lol

      sorry for my English

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    • Lidhar wrote:
      ok then why we dont hear a reaction from her after Aria stabs her partner..she heard him screaming and no reaction? ..i expected a scream  from her or to ask what happend to him..something anyway(imagine you in her place)...and after we hear one people steps living.

      i believe that he heard Aria i dont think Aria heard him because the dialogue was in his mind lol..but anyway this is my opinion and i m not saying that this person is 100% Jason

      Well if Mona did not know Aria was in the box, she was probably pretty shocked that Jason got stabbed. Mona's too smart and quick-thinking to scream. I think she and Jason just run away.

      I'm not 100% sure of this either. They left it murky. 

      Your theory is interesting. It's a possibility.

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    • PLLfan whatever the reason is, is it possible someone do all this things to the girls without having mental problems?spending so much time and money for that?hmmm time and money...jason lol.Of course maybe Charles is not even in that video with the boys but who knows... is only what a choose to believe..its easier lol.sorry for my English

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    • Oh well, I think Fitz is Charles. He definitely has the money to pull it off.

      Whoever it is definitely has some mental issues. I'm not convinced it involves a split personality, though I am open to all possibilities.

      But, I think it makes more sense for Charles to be a separate person. Because it's much harder for one person to be/seem everywhere at once.

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    • yes maybe ,but why? i cant see the reason...lets think one..he is Jason and Alis brother and they gave him away( to a rich family.).. if thats the reason why he want to bee at a prom?didnt his rich parents let him go to his own ?lol...and why the year which Jason went?they are not twins

      because he want to write a book?is that a reason to feel sympathy for A..lol

      maybe i m missing something.

      I stop now permanently because i cant write in English,i hope they give as a good reason for all of that and a good A lol

      Enjoy your life.Goodbye!!

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    • Does the Campbell farm is located in Rosewood? I just ask, because in 2x20 Mr. Hastings told Spencer that after Jessica found out that she was pregnant with Mr. Hastings child, she and her husband moved to Atlanta and didn't came back until Spencer was five years old. So it is possible that the other parents don't know that Jason maybe has a twin? Maybe the DiLaurentis family just liked to visit the Campbell farm from time to time and nobody knew about that

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    • I think that it's Toby, Jason and Bethany in the video with Mrs. D... Toby was the one to kiss his little sister, and Jason is the cousin..Makings Mrs D. and Marion Cavanaugh sisters. 

      To me, the boys look like they could be around 5-7. I don't know about everyone else, but I don't remember much at all from that age. So I think its possible that Toby and Jason have no remembrance of this.

      I think Mrs. D was the one to push Marion off the roof

      I'm not sure how all of this would fit in together, or where Charles fits in or WHY A would want to torture the girls

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    • Who is the person that filmed the whole situation?

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    • SierraMc wrote: I think that it's Toby, Jason and Bethany in the video with Mrs. D... Toby was the one to kiss his little sister, and Jason is the cousin..Makings Mrs D. and Marion Cavanaugh sisters. 

      To me, the boys look like they could be around 5-7. I don't know about everyone else, but I don't remember much at all from that age. So I think its possible that Toby and Jason have no remembrance of this.

      I think Mrs. D was the one to push Marion off the roof

      I'm not sure how all of this would fit in together, or where Charles fits in or WHY A would want to torture the girls

      Jason is 5 years older than Toby. So that can't be.

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    • Guys, I really LOVE your theories.

      But I think it is important to keep in mind that A needs to have something on all of the girls. Because until season 5, Ali wasn't even there. So A was just torturing the four girls, so he needs to have a reason to do this. And I think that even in the two first season there was some BigA or UberA or Ateam thing because it just doesn't make sense that A just "stole the game from Mona". He just rekruited her to torture the girls, there's enough evidence for that.

      So I don't think it's some kid ( that's now a grownup) that's been adopted and hates his family for that, I think it's something far more dark and more intriguing.. it's not just someone bullying or threatening some people.. people are getting killed, cops are involved.. I think some family stuff just isn't enough.

      Correct me if I'm wrong! I don't have a theory myself..

      (and ofcourse, excuse me for my bad English :-))

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    • about that picture of the boy being carried away, what if thats Charles being taken away from his family? and what if thats why Bethany became angry at "aunt jessie"? 

      my theory is marion and jessica are sisters. jessica was holding bethany in her arms in the video because marion was having issues (idk if this was before or after she was institutionalized). I know theres the eye color thing but what if the real brother that Jessica refers to is Toby and the other boy is Charles. 

      the mother mannequin in A's room reminds me of Jessica because they look a like..in regards to what the mannequin is wearing and the video (or is it just me?). I could see it as the young boy being Charles (because he fantasized about being an only child in a normal family) but who would be the father and the older girl? I don't think we know of any boys who are younger than a girl who they arent actuallt related to. Mike and Aria don't count cuz theyre related. Maybe the girl is CeCe ? Idk its all confusing because the video has older BOYS but the room depicts a smaller BOY. Maybe Charles WANTED Jessica and Mr.Young to be together and for him to be that boy and the girl would be Bethany. And why if there a picture of the mannequin family in Aria's fake room? As a clue for us? My guess for that is Mike is adopted. Do I think looking at the big picture that he's adopted? No. 

      but in a profile shot of that boy with the teddy bear on the table..if you scroll up you'll find it..i kinda thought of Caleb...I mean who says Charles has to have blonde hair, right?

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    • I'm on s4e24 (rewatching) and there's a flashback to Veronica in their yard clearing out some stuff in the middle of the night, it looks like kid's clothing and there's a toy bunny .... Charles' toys maybe?

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    • One thing thats been bothering me is the bird cage. A? is always doing something for the bird cage either shredding documents and putting it in the cage or having it shown up in various places. Then there was that bird that gave them some clues. In spencers room theres a empty bird cage on the white board. Could that be a reference to the birds out of the cage. As in there secrets are known or A is out of its cage.  Theres atheory about wren being a birds name. 

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    • If we've seen A before, is it possible that he's the stranger that Spencer sees at Noel's party in S1E3?

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    • Lidhar wrote:
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      How can they explain this?it must be Jason body..

      At least the timing would make sense: In s3ep13 the person who tries to kill Aria on the dark train ride gets stabbed by her. In s3ep19 Emily and Jason get trapped in an elevator and Jason ends up in hospital from where he disapears shortly after the girls visit him. In s3ep21 Spencer finds the dead body in the woods which was supposed to be Toby's but it turned out that it wasn't him in the end... Any ideas to this?

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    • Lidhar wrote:
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      How can they explain this?it must be Jason body..

      At least the timing would make sense: In s3ep13 the person who tries to kill Aria on the dark train ride gets stabbed by her. In s3ep19 Emily and Jason get trapped in an elevator and Jason ends up in hospital from where he disapears shortly after the girls visit him. In s3ep21 Spencer finds the dead body in the woods which was supposed to be Toby's but it turned out that it wasn't him in the end... Any ideas to this?

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    • Lidhar wrote:
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      Fdggggh
      How can they explain this?it must be Jason body..

      At least the timing would make sense: In s3ep13 the person who tries to kill Aria on the dark train ride gets stabbed by her. In s3ep19 Emily and Jason get trapped in an elevator and Jason ends up in hospital from where he disapears shortly after the girls visit him. In s3ep21 Spencer finds the dead body in the woods which was supposed to be Toby's but it turned out that it wasn't him in the end... Any ideas to this?

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    • After the finale, my mind was kind of set on 2 guys : detective Holbrook & the guy of the airport (Toby & Caleb went to see him). When rewatching this episode, Toby & Caleb find the name of the airport online : HOWEL ACRES FLIGHT CENTER. I think it's an anagram of Charles' name, but I can't get a hold of it.. Charles Owes? Any thoughts?  
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    • After the finale, my mind was kind of set on 2 guys : detective Holbrook & the guy of the airport (Toby & Caleb went to see him). When rewatching this episode, Toby & Caleb find the name of the airport online : HOWEL ACRES FLIGHT CENTER. I think it's an anagram of Charles' name, but I can't get a hold of it.. Charles Owes? Any thoughts?  
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    • Lidhar wrote:
      yes maybe ,but why? i cant see the reason...lets think one..he is Jason and Alis brother and they gave him away( to a rich family.).. if thats the reason why he want to bee at a prom?didnt his rich parents let him go to his own ?lol...and why the year which Jason went?they are not twins

      because he want to write a book?is that a reason to feel sympathy for A..lol

      maybe i m missing something.

      I stop now permanently because i cant write in English,i hope they give as a good reason for all of that and a good A lol

      Enjoy your life.Goodbye!!

      Okay. Sorry if I offended you. Your theory is good, but I just have a different theory.

      Your English is good.